How will the Tories attack Tom and Jerry ?

Scot Dutchy · **#321** by **Scot Dutchy** » Oct 08, 2015 11:26 am

Which will be noticed though?

Strontium Dog · **#322** by **Strontium Dog** » Oct 08, 2015 6:15 pm

The point being missed is that the word "tragedy" shouldn't be anywhere near a description of the death of Osama Bin Laden. Anyone who didn't punch the air with delight upon hearing the good news from Abbottabad simply isn't fit to lead this glorious nation.

Sendraks · **#323** by **Sendraks** » Oct 08, 2015 6:18 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:The point being missed is that the word "tragedy" shouldn't be anywhere near a description of the death of Osama Bin Laden. Anyone who didn't punch the air with delight upon hearing the good news from Abbottabad simply isn't fit to lead this glorious nation.

Except all the sane and rational people who would much rather have seen him put on trial and a clear and unequivocal message sent to the Islamic Fundamentalist world about the wrong of his actions.

A real tragedy that didn't happen.

mattthomas · **#324** by **mattthomas** » Oct 08, 2015 6:23 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:The point being missed is that the word "tragedy" shouldn't be anywhere near a description of the death of Osama Bin Laden. Anyone who didn't punch the air with delight upon hearing the good news from Abbottabad simply isn't fit to lead this glorious nation.

So to lead this glorious nation you have to believe killing people is okay? Interesting :coffee:

Strontium Dog · **#325** by **Strontium Dog** » Oct 08, 2015 6:29 pm

Sendraks wrote:Except all the sane and rational people who would much rather have seen him put on trial

Yeah, and I want a pet unicorn. There are some things that just aren't possible though, and Osama allowing himself to be taken alive is one of them.

mattthomas wrote:So to lead this glorious nation you have to believe killing people is okay? Interesting

It's part and parcel of being Prime Minister. That's why every PM there ever was has blood on their hands. Not one pacifist among them.

mattthomas · **#326** by **mattthomas** » Oct 08, 2015 6:31 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:It's part and parcel of being Prime Minister. That's why every PM there ever was has blood on their hands. Not one pacifist among them.

"You see things; and you say 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?"

chairman bill · **#327** by **chairman bill** » Oct 08, 2015 6:35 pm

Extrajudicial killing is the liberal way, don't you know!

Strontium Dog · **#328** by **Strontium Dog** » Oct 08, 2015 6:38 pm

chairman bill wrote:Extrajudicial killing is the liberal way, don't you know!

Executing a high-risk arrest warrant is not "extrajudicial killing". If someone is determined not to be taken alive, then very often they end up dead.

Weren't you in the armed forces? You really ought to know that.

chairman bill · **#329** by **chairman bill** » Oct 08, 2015 7:47 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
chairman bill wrote:Extrajudicial killing is the liberal way, don't you know!

Executing a high-risk arrest warrant is not "extrajudicial killing". If someone is determined not to be taken alive, then very often they end up dead.

Weren't you in the armed forces? You really ought to know that.

US forces didn't have a legal right to enter a foreign country. The act was extrajudicial. FFS, British troops didn't just march into the Irish Republic & kill known PIRA members, and there's a reason for that; such acts are illegal.

Calilasseia · **#330** by **Calilasseia** » Oct 08, 2015 10:26 pm

Contrast the killing of bin Laden, with the manner in which, despite the privations of having fought a world war, the Allies in 1945 put the 20 top Nazis on trial for over a year, and provided the world with hard evidence of their wrongdoing before resorting to any executions. Even the Israelis, with their reputation for solving disputes with an iron fist, exerted the effort to put Adolf Eichmann on trial. More recently, effort was exerted to put Slobodan Milosevic on trial at The Hague, an effort that only came to an end when he died in his cell, a contributory factor thereto being his refusal to accept prescription medications for serious disease.

In the light of the above examples, the failure to bring bin Laden to trial has several bad smells about it. Bad smells that include a more than casual racism, and the distinct possibility that the US government had one or two skeletons in their own closets that would have been exposed in any trial of this individual.

Emmeline · **#331** by **Emmeline** » Oct 11, 2015 8:11 am

They're going for the "terrorist links" again:

Revealed: Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell's close IRA links
(...)
The true extent of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell’s links with the IRA is revealed by a Telegraph investigation.
It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”
The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process.
(...)
The editorial board of a hard-Left magazine, of which Mr Corbyn was a member, wrote an article praising the Brighton bombing. In its article on the IRA attack, which almost wiped out Margaret Thatcher’s Cabinet, the editorial board of London Labour Briefing said the atrocity showed that “the British only sit up and take notice [of Ireland] when they are bombed into it.”
According to an authoritative parliamentary reference work, Mr Corbyn was general secretary of the editorial board. He wrote the front-page story in the same issue of Briefing.The same edition of Briefing, for December 1984, carried a reader’s letter praising the “audacity” of the IRA attack and stating: “What do you call four dead Tories? A start.” It mocked Norman, now Lord, Tebbit, the trade secretary who was dug out of the rubble of the Grand Hotel, saying: “Try riding your bike now, Norman.”
(...)
It can also be revealed that in 2004 Mr McDonnell, now Labour’s shadow chancellor, was given a special award by Sinn Fein and another IRA-supporting body for the “unfailing political and personal support he has given to the republican community in the Six Counties over many years.” The award was presented to him at a Sinn Fein fundraising dinner by Gerry Kelly, the IRA terrorist who bombed the Old Bailey, killing one and injuring almost 200. Kelly, now a senior Sinn Fein politician, also led the 1983 breakout of IRA inmates from the Maze prison, during which he shot a prison officer in the head.

more here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... links.html

Briton · **#332** by **Briton** » Oct 11, 2015 8:18 am

Calilasseia wrote:Contrast the killing of bin Laden, with the manner in which, despite the privations of having fought a world war, the Allies in 1945 put the 20 top Nazis on trial for over a year, and provided the world with hard evidence of their wrongdoing before resorting to any executions.

Chomsky talks about that and claims that actually the British wanted to just execute them. It was the Americans who insisted on proper procedure.

Scot Dutchy · **#333** by **Scot Dutchy** » Oct 11, 2015 8:46 am

How much dirty washing does Corbyn have?

chairman bill · **#334** by **chairman bill** » Oct 11, 2015 9:02 am

Oh if you're prepare to twist facts & view things out of context, I expect the papers will dig up all sorts of grubby linen.

Scot Dutchy · **#335** by **Scot Dutchy** » Oct 11, 2015 9:20 am

chairman bill wrote:Oh if you're prepare to twist facts & view things out of context, I expect the papers will dig up all sorts of grubby linen.

Yes of course they will. Denying it does not help as the damage is done.

chairman bill · **#336** by **chairman bill** » Oct 11, 2015 9:25 am

The thing is, so many people simply don't trust the newspapers anymore. We've got used to their lies & distortions. An awful lot of it just has the opposite effect now.

Scot Dutchy · **#337** by **Scot Dutchy** » Oct 11, 2015 9:31 am

chairman bill wrote:The thing is, so many people simply don't trust the newspapers anymore. We've got used to their lies & distortions. An awful lot of it just has the opposite effect now.

Would that be true of the Daily Mail following? Britain is still a newspaper country.

Emmeline · **#338** by **Emmeline** » Oct 11, 2015 9:42 am

chairman bill wrote:Oh if you're prepare to twist facts & view things out of context, I expect the papers will dig up all sorts of grubby linen.

What about the Telegraph article above - which facts are true & which are twisted?

Scot Dutchy · **#339** by **Scot Dutchy** » Oct 11, 2015 9:46 am

Emmeline wrote:
chairman bill wrote:Oh if you're prepare to twist facts & view things out of context, I expect the papers will dig up all sorts of grubby linen.

What about the Telegraph article above - which facts are true & which are twisted?

This is going to be the standard defence. All the FACTS have been twisted.

Briton · **#340** by **Briton** » Oct 11, 2015 10:31 am

I hated him for that at the time. Now, at a time when the British head of state shakes hands with Irish terrorist murderers, I see it as an irrelevance. Also; those days are a long way off now. Most people under 40 don't have the same strength of feeling over these issues as those who lived through it often do.

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