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Re: Infant's death at Maimonides Hospital linked to circumcision

#21  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 06, 2012 5:53 pm

This is so sickening. Really, really sickening. I thought they were supposed to be using a glass tube now for the oral suction to prevent herpes transmission. Guess it didn't work. Wonder if it was the same Rabbi.
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#22  Postby HughMcB » Mar 06, 2012 6:05 pm

NamelessFaceless wrote:This is so sickening. Really, really sickening. I thought they were supposed to be using a glass tube now for the oral suction to prevent herpes transmission. Guess it didn't work. Wonder if it was the same Rabbi.

I fully agree, sucking off babies through a glass tube is surely the only way forward.
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#23  Postby HughMcB » Mar 06, 2012 6:06 pm

chairman bill wrote:Cock-sucking, vampire rabbis a part of God's plan? A fellatious argument, surely.

Erecting phallacies again chairman?! :naughty:
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#24  Postby z8000783 » Mar 06, 2012 6:09 pm

Globe wrote:
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John P. M. wrote:Well, for when you need to walk through a desert for forty years, it helps make it easier to keep it clean. I'm not circumcised, and every dreary morning I have to spend ten minutes extra in the shower just because i have to drag all that foreskin back. It's a chore!

Besides, God obviously knew what he was doing when he created the penis. He also knew that by initially attaching a thing he called foreskin, he could then later on command people to remove it.

Ten minutes?

I can only speak for myself, but what should just be a quick procedure lasting a few seconds, once the foreskin has been dragged back, released, dragged back, released, dragged back, released, etc, the "procedure" very often lasts for 10 mins or more.
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But is it called "washing" even when you do it in the shower? :scratch:

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#25  Postby The_Piper » Mar 06, 2012 6:13 pm

What a bizarre ritual to be performing in 2012. What in the world? My version of Humpty Dumpty didn't even mention penises. :scratch:

The_Piper wrote:I got it, Zeus. :P

I guess I didn't get it. Odd, considering. :shifty:
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#26  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 06, 2012 7:48 pm

Looks like the DA is getting involved.

The Brooklyn District Attorney’s Office is investigating the death of a two-week old boy who perished at a Brooklyn hospital in September after contracting herpes through a controversial religious circumcision ritual.


http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailyp ... s-during-r

My guess is they'll just let it quietly drop. That's what happened last time.
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#27  Postby Matt8819 » Mar 06, 2012 7:51 pm

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chairman bill wrote:Cock-sucking, vampire rabbis a part of God's plan? A fellatious argument, surely.

Erecting phallacies again chairman?! :naughty:

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#28  Postby DoctorE » Mar 06, 2012 8:29 pm

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#29  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 06, 2012 8:58 pm

That mohel was quick to shrug it off, wasn't he? According to him, the infant could have contracted herpes from any number of sources - the nurses, the family, blah, blah, blah. I'm wondering if he could have still contracted herpes from any source if he didn't have an open wound?
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#30  Postby The_Piper » Mar 06, 2012 9:38 pm

Isn't it skin to skin contact for herpes also? Not suggesting it's not the stupid ritual's fault in this case. But could a young sibling with a cold sore for example, kiss a baby on the lips or eye or something and pass it also?
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#31  Postby jez9999 » Mar 06, 2012 10:09 pm

HughMcB wrote:
NamelessFaceless wrote:This is so sickening. Really, really sickening. I thought they were supposed to be using a glass tube now for the oral suction to prevent herpes transmission. Guess it didn't work. Wonder if it was the same Rabbi.

I fully agree, sucking off babies through a glass tube is surely the only way forward.

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#32  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 06, 2012 10:15 pm

The_Piper wrote:Isn't it skin to skin contact for herpes also? Not suggesting it's not the stupid ritual's fault in this case. But could a young sibling with a cold sore for example, kiss a baby on the lips or eye or something and pass it also?


Not sure if you're question was directed at me, and I honestly have no idea if the infant could have gotten it this way, but the Medical Examiner's report (according to the article) stated:

disseminated herpes simplex virus Type 1, complicating ritual circumcision with oral suction.


I can only assume the ME actually investigated the cause and came to the conclusion that it was indeed the oral suction.
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#33  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 06, 2012 10:17 pm

HughMcB wrote:
NamelessFaceless wrote:This is so sickening. Really, really sickening. I thought they were supposed to be using a glass tube now for the oral suction to prevent herpes transmission. Guess it didn't work. Wonder if it was the same Rabbi.

I fully agree, sucking off babies through a glass tube is surely the only way forward.


Ok, but can I just say FWIW I didn't mean to imply that this was an acceptable compromise.
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#34  Postby The_Piper » Mar 07, 2012 7:56 am

NamelessFaceless wrote:
The_Piper wrote:Isn't it skin to skin contact for herpes also? Not suggesting it's not the stupid ritual's fault in this case. But could a young sibling with a cold sore for example, kiss a baby on the lips or eye or something and pass it also?


Not sure if you're question was directed at me, and I honestly have no idea if the infant could have gotten it this way, but the Medical Examiner's report (according to the article) stated:

disseminated herpes simplex virus Type 1, complicating ritual circumcision with oral suction.


I can only assume the ME actually investigated the cause and came to the conclusion that it was indeed the oral suction.

Sorry about that, my question was for anyone to answer. :) I know the cause of transmission in this case, but I'm still interested about living babies.
I thought that a parent of a newborn might be interested too.
I assumed that someone reading this thread must know more about cold sores than me. :shifty:
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#35  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 07, 2012 12:45 pm

Oh, actually I do know of a case where a nursing mother gave her baby herpes. She was also co-sleeping. It's been a while since I read her story so I can't recall exactly how it happened.
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#36  Postby HughMcB » Mar 07, 2012 1:58 pm

NamelessFaceless wrote:
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NamelessFaceless wrote:This is so sickening. Really, really sickening. I thought they were supposed to be using a glass tube now for the oral suction to prevent herpes transmission. Guess it didn't work. Wonder if it was the same Rabbi.

I fully agree, sucking off babies through a glass tube is surely the only way forward.


Ok, but can I just say FWIW I didn't mean to imply that this was an acceptable compromise.

I was just playing. :)
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#37  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 07, 2012 3:04 pm

HughMcB wrote:
NamelessFaceless wrote:
HughMcB wrote:
NamelessFaceless wrote:This is so sickening. Really, really sickening. I thought they were supposed to be using a glass tube now for the oral suction to prevent herpes transmission. Guess it didn't work. Wonder if it was the same Rabbi.

I fully agree, sucking off babies through a glass tube is surely the only way forward.


Ok, but can I just say FWIW I didn't mean to imply that this was an acceptable compromise.

I was just playing. :)


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#38  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 07, 2012 3:07 pm

NamelessFaceless wrote:Oh, actually I do know of a case where a nursing mother gave her baby herpes. She was also co-sleeping. It's been a while since I read her story so I can't recall exactly how it happened.


I posted this in a hurry and after re-reading it felt it needed some clarification. The mom had cold sores and was nursing and co-sleeping with her newborn. Somewhere in all that skin-to-skin contact the newborn contracted the herpes. He didn't get it through the breast milk. Apparently it was pretty serious, though, because he was admitted to the hospital because of it.
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#39  Postby NamelessFaceless » Mar 08, 2012 3:36 pm

The NYT now has a story on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/nyreg ... .html?_r=3

In 2005, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg assembled rabbis throughout the city to try to persuade them to move away from metzitzah b’peh. But they said that the practice was safe and that there was no definitive evidence that it caused herpes. “The Orthodox Jewish community will continue the practice that has been practiced for over 5,000 years,” Rabbi David Niederman of the United Jewish Organization in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, said at the time. “‘We do not change. And we will not change.”


So I guess it doesn't matter to rabbis how many babies die.
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#40  Postby The_Piper » Mar 08, 2012 3:57 pm

Deep down, I have no respect for silly traditions and customs. I don't find it admirable to do something the same way for 5000 years. I find it fucking dumb.
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