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Infant's death at Maimonides Hospital linked to circumcision

#1  Postby DoctorE » Mar 04, 2012 12:34 pm

Sucking blood from circumcised infants... damn

A two-week old boy died at a Brooklyn hospital in September after contracting herpes through a religious circumcision ritual that ignited controversy in 2005 after another infant died, the Daily News has learned.

The unidentified infant died Sept. 28, 2011, at Maimonides Hospital, according to a spokeswoman for the city Medical Examiner, who confirmed the death after a News inquiry.

The cause of death was listed as “disseminated herpes simplex virus Type 1, complicating ritual circumcision with oral suction.”

City officials declined to comment Friday.

It’s unclear who performed the circumcision.

In 2004, city health officials revealed that a baby boy died after a circumcision carried out by a Rockland County rabbi who specializes in the centuries-old, ultra-Orthodox ritual known as metzizah b’ peh.

Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth — a practice city health officials have criticized, saying it carried “inherent risks” for babies.

In 2004, three infants circumcised by Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer were determined to have contracted herpes, city officials said.

Among them were twins circumcised in October 2004 after Fischer performed the religious ceremony known as a bris

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#2  Postby Rome Existed » Mar 04, 2012 12:49 pm

Oh, religion? WE MUST DEFEND IT!
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#3  Postby j.mills » Mar 04, 2012 1:18 pm

Cons:
1. Bonkers.
2. Revolting.
3. Dangerous.
4. Mutilation without consent.
5. Mutilation without medical need.

Pros:
1. Religion!
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#4  Postby Panderos » Mar 04, 2012 1:33 pm

Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth

Hmm....
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#5  Postby Grimstad » Mar 04, 2012 1:40 pm

Baby's first hummer? WTF is up with that?

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#6  Postby campermon » Mar 04, 2012 1:41 pm

Panderos wrote:
Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth

Hmm....


Yes.

The parents of the child should be jailed.
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#7  Postby John P. M. » Mar 04, 2012 1:43 pm

Well, for when you need to walk through a desert for forty years, it helps make it easier to keep it clean. I'm not circumcised, and every dreary morning I have to spend ten minutes extra in the shower just because i have to drag all that foreskin back. It's a chore!

Besides, God obviously knew what he was doing when he created the penis. He also knew that by initially attaching a thing he called foreskin, he could then later on command people to remove it.
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#8  Postby jim » Mar 04, 2012 1:47 pm

campermon wrote:
Panderos wrote:
Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth

Hmm....


Yes.

The parents of the child should be jailed.



How was this practice even started?
I mean... WTF?
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#9  Postby chairman bill » Mar 04, 2012 1:59 pm

Cock-sucking, vampire rabbis a part of God's plan? A fellatious argument, surely.
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#10  Postby John P. M. » Mar 04, 2012 2:11 pm

jim wrote:
How was this practice even started?


You'll have to ask Moses. No, not that Moses.
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#11  Postby The_Metatron » Mar 04, 2012 2:12 pm

John P. M. wrote:Well, for when you need to walk through a desert for forty years, it helps make it easier to keep it clean. I'm not circumcised, and every dreary morning I have to spend ten minutes extra in the shower just because i have to drag all that foreskin back. It's a chore!

Besides, God obviously knew what he was doing when he created the penis. He also knew that by initially attaching a thing he called foreskin, he could then later on command people to remove it.

Ten minutes?
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#12  Postby j.mills » Mar 04, 2012 2:17 pm

chairman bill wrote:Cock-sucking, vampire rabbis a part of God's plan? A fellatious argument, surely.

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#13  Postby Varangian » Mar 04, 2012 2:31 pm

John P. M. wrote:Well, for when you need to walk through a desert for forty years, it helps make it easier to keep it clean. I'm not circumcised, and every dreary morning I have to spend ten minutes extra in the shower just because i have to drag all that foreskin back and forth repeatedly. It's a chore!

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#14  Postby The_Piper » Mar 04, 2012 2:39 pm

I didn't realize herpes could be fatal. Type 1 is the virus that causes oral cold sores.
Research has shown that between 50 to 80% of all Americans carry the antibodies to HSV-1

http://www.stdweb.com/herpes-testing/herpes-type1-testing.htm

Regardless of the accuracy of that statement, it's too common. We probably shouldn't be kissing any babies. :scratch:
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#15  Postby John P. M. » Mar 04, 2012 2:40 pm

The_Metatron wrote:
Ten minutes?

Hyperbole and sarcasm - so effective when it comes across. So awkward when it doesn't. :shifty:
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#16  Postby The_Piper » Mar 04, 2012 2:47 pm

I got it, Zeus. :P
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#17  Postby Ultimate » Mar 05, 2012 8:00 pm

The_Piper wrote:I didn't realize herpes could be fatal. Type 1 is the virus that causes oral cold sores.
Research has shown that between 50 to 80% of all Americans carry the antibodies to HSV-1

http://www.stdweb.com/herpes-testing/herpes-type1-testing.htm

Regardless of the accuracy of that statement, it's too common. We probably shouldn't be kissing any babies. :scratch:


Theres quite a few things that will kill infants that rarely kill adults. If you have an immune compromised infant (which I would guess this case would be) and are putting a virus directly into their blood stream it can't be good.

Whether or not you support circumcision, this is a really weird, fucked up case. Using one's mouth to "clean up" is ridiculously unsanitary. The man should probably be tried for criminal negligence, especially since this isn't the first child he's infected.
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#18  Postby orpheus » Mar 05, 2012 8:24 pm

j.mills wrote:
chairman bill wrote:Cock-sucking, vampire rabbis a part of God's plan? A fellatious argument, surely.

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#19  Postby quisquose » Mar 05, 2012 10:33 pm

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John P. M. wrote:Well, for when you need to walk through a desert for forty years, it helps make it easier to keep it clean. I'm not circumcised, and every dreary morning I have to spend ten minutes extra in the shower just because i have to drag all that foreskin back. It's a chore!

Besides, God obviously knew what he was doing when he created the penis. He also knew that by initially attaching a thing he called foreskin, he could then later on command people to remove it.

Ten minutes?

I can only speak for myself, but what should just be a quick procedure lasting a few seconds, once the foreskin has been dragged back, released, dragged back, released, dragged back, released, etc, the "procedure" very often lasts for 10 mins or more.
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#20  Postby Globe » Mar 05, 2012 10:48 pm

quisquose wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
John P. M. wrote:Well, for when you need to walk through a desert for forty years, it helps make it easier to keep it clean. I'm not circumcised, and every dreary morning I have to spend ten minutes extra in the shower just because i have to drag all that foreskin back. It's a chore!

Besides, God obviously knew what he was doing when he created the penis. He also knew that by initially attaching a thing he called foreskin, he could then later on command people to remove it.

Ten minutes?

I can only speak for myself, but what should just be a quick procedure lasting a few seconds, once the foreskin has been dragged back, released, dragged back, released, dragged back, released, etc, the "procedure" very often lasts for 10 mins or more.
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But is it called "washing" even when you do it in the shower? :scratch:
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