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Israel sees Assad winning Syria war, urges more U.S. involve

#1  Postby aliihsanasl » Oct 03, 2017 1:59 pm

Israel sees Assad winning Syria war, urges more U.S. involvement

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel’s defense minister said on Tuesday President Bashar al-Assad was winning Syria’s civil war and urged the United States to weigh in as Damascus’s Iranian and Hezbollah allies gain ground.

Avigdor Lieberman’s comments marked a reversal for Israel, where top officials had from the outset of fighting in 2011 until mid-2015 regularly predicted Assad would lose control of his country and be toppled.


ISIS just like Al-Qaeda never had a single attack on Israel to this day, right ?

Attack on Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey but stay away from your main target you defined as the real enemy.
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#2  Postby Arjan Dirkse » Oct 03, 2017 7:32 pm

ISIS never defined Israel as their foremost enemy. Their biggest enemies are actually what they see as apostate Muslims. First and foremost Iraqi and Iranian shia, and regimes like the Saudi monarchy and Assad, Sissi in Egypt, actually the leadership in all Muslim countries. Israel is a lesser target.
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#3  Postby aban57 » Oct 03, 2017 9:27 pm

Arjan Dirkse wrote:ISIS never defined Israel as their foremost enemy. Their biggest enemies are actually what they see as apostate Muslims. First and foremost Iraqi and Iranian shia, and regimes like the Saudi monarchy and Assad, Sissi in Egypt, actually the leadership in all Muslim countries. Israel is a lesser target.


ISIS' purpose is not the destruction of Israel, as it can be for some (political or not) muslim mouvements. It's the establishment of a califate covering the middle east, western Asia, northern Africa and Spain. Pretty much any territory that once belonged to a muslim country. They don't really care about whoever is living there now. They're all heathens anyways.

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#4  Postby Arjan Dirkse » Oct 03, 2017 9:48 pm

I don't think they propose stopping there, they want a worldwide caliphate. That's probably when they will stop though, they aren't planning to colonize the solar system.
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#5  Postby The_Metatron » Oct 03, 2017 11:54 pm

aban57 wrote:
Arjan Dirkse wrote:ISIS never defined Israel as their foremost enemy. Their biggest enemies are actually what they see as apostate Muslims. First and foremost Iraqi and Iranian shia, and regimes like the Saudi monarchy and Assad, Sissi in Egypt, actually the leadership in all Muslim countries. Israel is a lesser target.


ISIS' purpose is not the destruction of Israel, as it can be for some (political or not) muslim mouvements. It's the establishment of a califate covering the middle east, western Asia, northern Africa and Spain. Pretty much any territory that once belonged to a muslim country. They don't really care about whoever is living there now. They're all heathens anyways.

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Cedric, can you give us a source for that graphic?


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#6  Postby aliihsanasl » Oct 04, 2017 8:35 am

A Sunni and jihadist group's being that silent against the number one ally of USA in the region when their objective is to fight against American interests isn't possible to explain with any logic.

Political developments in Turkey prove that Israel is very angry with Sunni Erdogan's and Shia Iran's alliance in their economical and political interests.

I don't feel that USA is honest about not recognizing the Kurdish referendum in Northern Iraq such a puppet second Jewish state would help their foreign policy goals a lot but why EU didn't recognize it is a dilemma for me. Both USA and EU were arming Kurds prior to referendum.

In my opinion in the following months more and more violence in Syria will fade away and Turkey's turn will come in the USA project.
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#7  Postby aban57 » Oct 04, 2017 8:46 am

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Cedric, can you give us a source for that graphic?


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2674736/ISIS-militants-declare-formation-caliphate-Syria-Iraq-demand-Muslims-world-swear-allegiance.html
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#8  Postby proudfootz » Oct 06, 2017 11:21 am

With any luck Syria will win and the refugee crisis created by attempts to overthrow the government will be over.

Plainly, Syria’s success – notwithstanding the caution of President Bashar al-Assad in saying that signs of success are not success itself – in resisting, against the odds, all attempts to fell the state suggest that a tipping point in the geopolitics of the region has occurred.

We have written before how the Syria outcome dwarfs that of Israel’s 2006 war against Hezbollah, significant though the result of that war was, too.

Both events taken together have brought America’s unipolar moment in the Middle East to an end (though not globally, since the U.S. still retains its necklace of military bases across the region). The successes have corroded badly the reputation of the Gulf States and have discredited fired-up Sunni jihadism as a “go-to” political tool for Saudi Arabia and its Western backers.

But, aside from the geopolitics, the Syria outcome has created a physical connectivity and contiguity that has not existed for some years: the border between Iraq and Iran is open; the border between Syria and Iraq is opening; and the border between Lebanon and Syria, too, is open. This constitutes a critical mass both of land, resources and population of real weight.

The region will listen intently to what these victors will have to say about their future vision for the region – and for Islam. In particular, how Syria articulates the lessons for Middle Eastern societies in light of its war experience will have a profound import.

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In my view, a victory for secularism over jihadism is a good thing.
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#9  Postby mrjonno » Oct 06, 2017 11:23 am

Secularism is more rational but it also tends to be a lot more capable of building weapons/the economy etc.

Neither are so great without liberalism and the rule of law
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#10  Postby proudfootz » Oct 06, 2017 11:29 am

Sadly, nations still need weapons to defend themselves from predators.

It's also not wholly bad to have an economy that allows your people to eat and get medicine.
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#11  Postby Warren Dew » Oct 09, 2017 3:25 am

aliihsanasl wrote:A Sunni and jihadist group's being that silent against the number one ally of USA in the region when their objective is to fight against American interests isn't possible to explain with any logic.

Political developments in Turkey prove that Israel is very angry with Sunni Erdogan's and Shia Iran's alliance in their economical and political interests.

I don't feel that USA is honest about not recognizing the Kurdish referendum in Northern Iraq such a puppet second Jewish state would help their foreign policy goals a lot but why EU didn't recognize it is a dilemma for me. Both USA and EU were arming Kurds prior to referendum.

In my opinion in the following months more and more violence in Syria will fade away and Turkey's turn will come in the USA project.

I don't think the Islamic State's objective was to fight against US interests. Al Qaeda yes, the Islamic State no.

The US needs the Syrian Kurds to establish a state and to recognize them.
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#12  Postby aban57 » Oct 09, 2017 7:43 am

Warren Dew wrote:
aliihsanasl wrote:A Sunni and jihadist group's being that silent against the number one ally of USA in the region when their objective is to fight against American interests isn't possible to explain with any logic.

Political developments in Turkey prove that Israel is very angry with Sunni Erdogan's and Shia Iran's alliance in their economical and political interests.

I don't feel that USA is honest about not recognizing the Kurdish referendum in Northern Iraq such a puppet second Jewish state would help their foreign policy goals a lot but why EU didn't recognize it is a dilemma for me. Both USA and EU were arming Kurds prior to referendum.

In my opinion in the following months more and more violence in Syria will fade away and Turkey's turn will come in the USA project.

I don't think the Islamic State's objective was to fight against US interests. Al Qaeda yes, the Islamic State no.

The US needs the Syrian Kurds to establish a state and to recognize them.


Turkey will never have it this way. If the Kurdistan exists one day, the Kurds in Turkey will make Turkey a living hell until they can join Kurdistan. Or until Erdogan killed them all. Which is more likely.

Edit : I think nothing can infuriate Erdogan more than the existence of a Kurd state.
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#13  Postby mrjonno » Oct 09, 2017 10:12 am

I think nothing can infuriate Erdogan more than the existence of a Kurd state.


And this is a bad thing because?, Erdogan is just below North Korea and ISIS on the international bad guys list these days
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#14  Postby aban57 » Oct 09, 2017 11:05 am

mrjonno wrote:
I think nothing can infuriate Erdogan more than the existence of a Kurd state.


And this is a bad thing because?, Erdogan is just below North Korea and ISIS on the international bad guys list these days


You assume wrong, I'm all for anything that infuriates the guy I call one of the "4 horsemen of the apocalypse" (Erdogan, Kim Jon Un, Putine and Assad). I wish they were 5, I would add Trump to the list.
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