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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#21  Postby Mike_L » Apr 11, 2019 5:12 pm

‘UK, you are America’s bitch’: Pamela Anderson launches scathing tweetstorm following Assange arrest
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I am in shock..
I couldn’t hear clearly what he said?
He looks very bad.
How could you Equador ?
(Because he exposed you).
How could you UK. ?
Of course - you are America’s bitch and
you need a diversion from your idiotic Brexit bullshit

And the USA ?
This toxic coward of a President
He needs to rally his base? -
You are selfish and cruel.
You have taken the entire world backwards.

You are devils and liars and thieves.
And you will ROTT

And
WE WILL RISE

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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#22  Postby ronmcd » Apr 11, 2019 5:27 pm

The US charge against Assange is conspiracy, with Chelsea Manning, to commit computer intrusion, in particular by breaking a US government computer password. The maximum sentence is 5 years imprisonment. https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wi ... conspiracy

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Under the 2003 US - UK Extradition Treaty, Assange can only be tried in the US for the offence for which he is extradited.

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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#23  Postby ronmcd » Apr 11, 2019 5:28 pm

I'm With Stupid wrote:
mrjonno wrote:We extradite to the US on the condition of no death penalty, even Trump would honour that (or the adults in the room would)

Well yeah, but the issue with extraditing to the States isn't necessarily the death penalty, but the ridiculously harsh punishments they have for absolutely everything in comparison with the rest of the developed world. There was that one a while back with Gary McKinnon where they tried to extradite a man with aspergers to face up to 70 years in prison for the horrific crime of hacking into US government computers to look for evidence of conspiracy theories. That's just so far beyond the sort of sentence that any civilized country would impose on anyone for a crime with no clear victim. Blocking that extradition was the one good thing that Theresa May did in her time as Home Secretary, and the fact that the US government declined to bring him to a UK court shows you exactly how little they actually cared about criminal justice, and exactly how much this was about sending a message to people not to mess with the US government. The pathetic thing about that case, and the US-UK extradition agreement generally, is that they don't actually have to provide any evidence to be contested in a UK court before the extradition is granted, which makes it ripe for political abuse. Not that I'm suggesting that them going after Julian Assange is at all politically motivated, of course. :whistle:

In this case though theres a max term of 5 years, apparently.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#24  Postby DougC » Apr 11, 2019 5:43 pm

I hope his cat's OK.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#25  Postby Svartalf » Apr 11, 2019 5:52 pm

he's not, they are out to fuck him up, and these jackboots are gonna walk all over him.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#26  Postby Hermit » Apr 11, 2019 5:56 pm

So the government he helped to get elected by providing stolen information will now prosecute him for leaking stolen information. The irony is delicious.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#27  Postby Mike_L » Apr 11, 2019 5:58 pm

‘5 years for ATTEMPT to crack a password?’ Journalists, whistleblowers slam US Assange charge

Journalists and whistleblowers have weighed in on the indictment brought by the US against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, calling the current password-cracking charge “weak,” but setting a dangerous precedent for press freedom.
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Edward Snowden:

The weakness of the US charge against Assange is shocking. The allegation he tried (and failed?) to help crack a password during their world-famous reporting has been public for nearly a decade: it is the count Obama's DOJ refused to charge, saying it endangered journalism.

Glenn Greenwald:

The DOJ says part of what Assange did to justify his prosecution - beyond allegedly helping Manning get the documents - is he encouraged Manning to get more docs for him to publish. Journalists do this with sources constantly: it's the criminalization of journalism

Aaron Maté:

The charge against Assange is that he "agreed to assist Manning in cracking a password stored on U.S. Dept. of Defense computers." It looks like their alleged "password-cracking agreement" wasn't even successful. Assange faces 5 years in prison over it.


Journalist Glenn Greenwald also commented on the Obama-era decision, saying that Democrats who have spent two years “feigning concerns over press freedom” in relation to the Trump administration’s attacks on journalists, but who now support the Donald Trump DOJ’s indictment of Assange were “beneath contempt.”

Internet freedom activist Kim Dotcom also weighed in on the potential five-year prison sentence for trying to crack a password. “Is it still April Fool’s Day?” he tweeted, with the hashtag #FreeJulian.

In a further tweet, Dotcom said that the sentence was possibly a “tactic” to tempt Assange to consider swift extradition, but that more and heavier charges likely awaited. “DOJ may have a superseding indictment with more charges ready on arrival. I can tell you from experience DOJ is full of liars and tricksters,” he wrote.

Editor of the White House Watch website Dan Froomkin tweeted advice to journalists at mainstream news organizations, saying they should acknowledge that the indictment was a “ridiculous stretch” and was in relation to “the noblest of his leaks,” making it a “chilling” moment for journalism.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#28  Postby Mike_L » Apr 11, 2019 6:03 pm

Hermit wrote:So the government he helped to get elected by providing stolen information will now prosecute him for leaking stolen information. The irony is delicious.


‘I know nothing about Wikileaks. It’s not my thing,’ says Trump following Assange’s arrest

US President Donald Trump, who said he loved WikiLeaks during his election campaign, tried to distance himself from the arrest of Julian Assange, which was carried out by Britain on the request of the US.
Speaking to journalists in the Oval Office on Thursday, hours after the arrest of Assange in London, Trump said:

"I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It’s not my thing."

Trump was far less reluctant to speak about the transparency site in 2016, when it played a major role in the US presidential election after it published a number of documents leaked from the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Then-candidate Trump called the work of the site “amazing” and said he “loved” what it was doing.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#29  Postby GrahamH » Apr 11, 2019 6:16 pm

Hermit wrote:So the government he helped to get elected by providing stolen information will now prosecute him for leaking stolen information. The irony is delicious.


Maybe Trump has his own dirt he wants to keep off WikiLeaks. I can think of a few things.
Why do you think that?
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#30  Postby aufbahrung » Apr 11, 2019 6:38 pm

Ultimately he was random leaker. One or two might be beneficial and for the public good but telling the truth with no idea what the full ramifications are could have led to the loss life in the field. There was a reason he was Russias bitch...
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#31  Postby quas » Apr 12, 2019 1:24 am

Hermit wrote:So the government he helped to get elected by providing stolen information will now prosecute him for leaking stolen information. The irony is delicious.


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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#32  Postby CdesignProponentsist » Apr 12, 2019 1:33 am

mrjonno wrote:We extradite to the US on the condition of no death penalty, even Trump would honour that (or the adults in the room would)


It isn't a capital offense. He's safe from the death penalty.
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#33  Postby CarlPierce » Apr 12, 2019 11:05 am

Didnt like the way the 'judge' made personal comments. Damages respect for the law.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#34  Postby fisherman » Apr 12, 2019 3:18 pm

The complainant in Sweden has asked that the case be reopened. Swedish prosecuters have until Aug 2020 to resume the case and seek extradition. Good summary at twitter feed below.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1116597761128845312
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#35  Postby Alan C » Apr 13, 2019 1:14 am

Mike_L wrote:
Hermit wrote:So the government he helped to get elected by providing stolen information will now prosecute him for leaking stolen information. The irony is delicious.


‘I know nothing about Wikileaks. It’s not my thing,’ says Trump following Assange’s arrest

US President Donald Trump, who said he loved WikiLeaks during his election campaign, tried to distance himself from the arrest of Julian Assange, which was carried out by Britain on the request of the US.
Speaking to journalists in the Oval Office on Thursday, hours after the arrest of Assange in London, Trump said:

"I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It’s not my thing."

Trump was far less reluctant to speak about the transparency site in 2016, when it played a major role in the US presidential election after it published a number of documents leaked from the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Then-candidate Trump called the work of the site “amazing” and said he “loved” what it was doing.
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Another one thrown under the bus, why would anyone offer any loyalty or do any favours for the Orange Fuhrer when, at best, you'll get none in return.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#36  Postby Thommo » Apr 13, 2019 12:53 pm

fisherman wrote:The complainant in Sweden has asked that the case be reopened. Swedish prosecuters have until Aug 2020 to resume the case and seek extradition. Good summary at twitter feed below.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1116597761128845312


Yes, that does seem a good summary, and it agrees with what I've read in other places.

One thing I didn't quite follow though:
To show balance I will concede this to Assange supporters. There can be no good reason if (as it appears) Sweden (and complainant's lawyer) were not informed in advance of pending arrest. All the more credit for the lawyer and the prosecuting body to react the same day.


"No good reason" refers to what here?

I can't quite see how arresting Assange for bail violations required pre-notification of Swedish authorities.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#37  Postby ronmcd » Apr 13, 2019 3:11 pm

Thommo wrote:
fisherman wrote:The complainant in Sweden has asked that the case be reopened. Swedish prosecuters have until Aug 2020 to resume the case and seek extradition. Good summary at twitter feed below.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1116597761128845312


Yes, that does seem a good summary, and it agrees with what I've read in other places.

One thing I didn't quite follow though:
To show balance I will concede this to Assange supporters. There can be no good reason if (as it appears) Sweden (and complainant's lawyer) were not informed in advance of pending arrest. All the more credit for the lawyer and the prosecuting body to react the same day.


"No good reason" refers to what here?

I can't quite see how arresting Assange for bail violations required pre-notification of Swedish authorities.

Hmm. I wonder if the suggestion is the US authorities *were* notified?
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#38  Postby Thommo » Apr 13, 2019 3:12 pm

That could be it.
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#39  Postby fisherman » Apr 13, 2019 5:35 pm

Thommo wrote:
fisherman wrote:The complainant in Sweden has asked that the case be reopened. Swedish prosecuters have until Aug 2020 to resume the case and seek extradition. Good summary at twitter feed below.

https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1116597761128845312


Yes, that does seem a good summary, and it agrees with what I've read in other places.

One thing I didn't quite follow though:
To show balance I will concede this to Assange supporters. There can be no good reason if (as it appears) Sweden (and complainant's lawyer) were not informed in advance of pending arrest. All the more credit for the lawyer and the prosecuting body to react the same day.


"No good reason" refers to what here?

I can't quite see how arresting Assange for bail violations required pre-notification of Swedish authorities.


Though I have not really been following the discussion, I read it similar to Ron. Presumably the US being informed, and not Sweden, lends credence to Assange supporters that the objective is to get Assange to the US. (Possibly sustaining views that there is a conspiracy?)
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Re: Julian Assange is "in danger".

#40  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 13, 2019 8:26 pm

More than six years after Julian Assange moved himself into the confines of the Ecuadorian embassy building in London, the WikiLeaks founder finds himself in danger again.



I am surprised that the discussion here hasn't seemed to hone in on what I thought Mike_L's thread title picked out...

Julian Assange isn't actually in danger. We don't typically use that expression when discussing the predicament a person is in when facing an imminent trial. Wouldn't the term more rightly be 'in trouble'?

And was he in danger before entering the embassy?

I don't know whether he is innocent or guilty of the rape accusations made against him, and I don't know whether this charge leading to his extradition is good or bad, whether his potential trial in the US is trumped up bollocks or justified; I don't even know if his own actions in leaking information were morally sound or not... but I am pretty sure that 'in danger' is not an appropriate description of his situation.

I think he's really made things dramatically worse for himself by hiding from justice for 6 years. Essentially, he has added that to his conviction time even if he is ultimately exonerated of all other crimes.
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