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Re: Kick the Disabled

#101  Postby Paul G » Feb 03, 2012 6:30 pm

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Wiðercora wrote:There's now a petition to have the Queen refuse Royal Assent to the Welfare 'Reform' bill.

Let's see if the monarchy can do something useful.


I dare say provoking a constitutional crisis of massive proportions could be useful in terms of highlighting the lengths certain quarters are prepared to go to in order to ride roughshod over our democracy, but not so much beyond that.


You mean Lansley and the coalition having no mandate for these reforms?
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Re: Kick the Disabled

#102  Postby ED209 » Feb 03, 2012 6:32 pm

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Strontium Dog wrote:an ever-shrinking pool of workers


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I wonder why people are ignoring the fact that more people have jobs than ever before :think:


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#103  Postby Strontium Dog » Feb 03, 2012 8:40 pm

Perhaps optimistic on my part, but I was hoping that you would work out that I was talking about an ever-shrinking pool of workers as a proportion of the population. Evidently I need to make allowances for my audience in future.
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Re: Kick the Disabled

#104  Postby ED209 » Feb 06, 2012 11:47 am

Oh, I wonder why you didn't say 'ever-shrinking proportion of workers' then. Perhaps because unemployment has been higher in the past, yet we were still able to support a national health service free to all at point of delivery. Probably just a matter of priorities.

Anyway, in the papers:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... led-people

Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

Rising public resentment blamed on government focus on alleged 'scrounger' fraud and inflammatory media coverage


The government's focus on alleged fraud and overclaiming to justify cuts in disability benefits has caused an increase in resentment and abuse directed at disabled people, as they find themselves being labelled as scroungers, six of the country's biggest disability groups have warned.

Some of the charities say they are now regularly contacted by people who have been taunted on the street about supposedly faking their disability and are concerned the climate of suspicion could spill over into violence or other hate crimes.

While the charities speaking out – Scope, Mencap, Leonard Cheshire Disability, the National Autistic Society, Royal National Institute for the Blind (RNIB), and Disability Alliance – say inflammatory media coverage has played a role in this, they primarily blame ministers and civil servants for repeatedly highlighting the supposed mass abuse of the disability benefits system, much of which is unfounded...


A good comment from a reader below that story:

You only needed to see yesterdays THESUN!! frontpage about a family who won the lottery and still claim DLA.

Of course it's not means tested, and our own multi millionaire PM claimed the same benefit for his late son.

Don't remember Rebekah Brooks putting that on the front page though.


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#105  Postby THWOTH » Feb 06, 2012 11:57 am

This will happen when 'disability' is defined only by a persons ability to work rather than focusing on individual's abilities and needs. It suggest that a person's worth or value to society is always and only ever measured by their earning capacity.
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#106  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 06, 2012 11:58 am

No you must not criticise the rich. What they and their cronies do is all above board. FFS
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#107  Postby Wiðercora » Feb 06, 2012 12:13 pm

THWOTH wrote:This will happen when 'disability' is defined only by a persons ability to work rather than focusing on individual's abilities and needs. It suggest that a person's worth or value to society is always and only ever measured by their earning capacity.


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Re: Kick the Disabled

#108  Postby chairman bill » Feb 06, 2012 1:42 pm

I like the idea of earning capacity. We could assume that those earning lots have used up more of their capacity, so have less earning capacity than poorer people, who have so much unused. And funnily enough, I think there's more social benefit in a poorly paid person working in say, social care, than in an extremely well-paid stockbroker. And whilst lots of people would love to work in a nice warm, well-lit, well-ventilated, comfortable office, and far fewer to be digging holes in the road in the wind & rain, or collecting rubbish/trash, cleaning toilets and so on, the latter should get more money than the former.
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Re: Kick the Disabled

#109  Postby Paul G » Feb 06, 2012 2:39 pm

ED209 wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... led-people

Benefit cuts are fuelling abuse of disabled people, say charities

Rising public resentment blamed on government focus on alleged 'scrounger' fraud and inflammatory media coverage


The government's focus on alleged fraud and overclaiming to justify cuts in disability benefits has caused an increase in resentment and abuse directed at disabled people, as they find themselves being labelled as scroungers, six of the country's biggest disability groups have warned.

Some of the charities say they are now regularly contacted by people who have been taunted on the street about supposedly faking their disability and are concerned the climate of suspicion could spill over into violence or other hate crimes.

While the charities speaking out – Scope, Mencap, Leonard Cheshire Disability, the National Autistic Society, Royal National Institute for the Blind (RNIB), and Disability Alliance – say inflammatory media coverage has played a role in this, they primarily blame ministers and civil servants for repeatedly highlighting the supposed mass abuse of the disability benefits system, much of which is unfounded...




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Re: Kick the Disabled

#110  Postby Paul G » Feb 08, 2012 12:14 pm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ ... d-media.do

"Increasingly are victims of hate crimes"

"Two thirds saying they have experienced recent abuse"
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Re: Kick the Disabled

#111  Postby Strontium Dog » Feb 08, 2012 12:17 pm

What are the government supposed to do about people copping abuse in the street?

Hard as this might be for some to believe, but abuse of disabled people predates the coalition government by some considerable period.
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#112  Postby Paul G » Feb 08, 2012 12:18 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:What are the government supposed to do about people copping abuse in the street?

Hard as this might be for some to believe, but abuse of disabled people predates the coalition government by some considerable period.


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#113  Postby DaveD » Feb 08, 2012 1:10 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:What are the government supposed to do about people copping abuse in the street?

They could stop encouraging it with their demonising of disabled people as "scroungers". That would be a start.
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#114  Postby mattwilson » Feb 08, 2012 1:12 pm

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Strontium Dog wrote:What are the government supposed to do about people copping abuse in the street?

They could stop encouraging it with their demonising of disabled people as "scroungers". That would be a start.

You took the words right out of my mouth... must have been while you were kissing me :drunk:
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Re: Kick the Disabled

#115  Postby Strontium Dog » Feb 08, 2012 4:11 pm

DaveD wrote:They could stop encouraging it with their demonising of disabled people as "scroungers". That would be a start.


This "demonising", if it exists, doesn't come from the government. Unless we're going to be classifying giving people less free money as "demonisation" nowadays, in which case the discussion has lost all semblance of reason.
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#116  Postby Paul G » Feb 08, 2012 4:18 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:
DaveD wrote:They could stop encouraging it with their demonising of disabled people as "scroungers". That would be a start.


This "demonising", if it exists, doesn't come from the government. Unless we're going to be classifying giving people less free money as "demonisation" nowadays, in which case the discussion has lost all semblance of reason.


Utterly clueless.

You'll make a great politician. I guess they should count themselves lucky they're getting any "free money" at all.
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Re: Kick the Disabled

#117  Postby Strontium Dog » Feb 08, 2012 4:30 pm

Paul G wrote:
Strontium Dog wrote:
DaveD wrote:They could stop encouraging it with their demonising of disabled people as "scroungers". That would be a start.


This "demonising", if it exists, doesn't come from the government. Unless we're going to be classifying giving people less free money as "demonisation" nowadays, in which case the discussion has lost all semblance of reason.


Utterly clueless.

You'll make a great politician. I guess they should count themselves lucky they're getting any "free money" at all.


What are you talking about?

Nobody in government has categorised any disabled person as a scrounger. It just hasn't happened. It's a fiction.
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#118  Postby Paul G » Feb 08, 2012 4:39 pm

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#119  Postby THWOTH » Feb 08, 2012 7:15 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:What are the government supposed to do about people copping abuse in the street?

Not conflating disability with fecklessness and fraudulent benefit claims would be a start.
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#120  Postby Strontium Dog » Feb 08, 2012 7:44 pm

THWOTH wrote:
Strontium Dog wrote:What are the government supposed to do about people copping abuse in the street?


Not conflating disability with fecklessness and fraudulent benefit claims would be a start.


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