ED209 wrote:

purplerat wrote:

ED209 wrote:

purplerat wrote:
The quote about "billions each year" is sandwiched between discussion of America's Army and "route into children's lives". The implication is pretty clear. I get that when dishonesty serves your purpose it's easy to look the other way though.

There is no dishonesty, except in your now-willful and intentional misrepresentation of the quoted passage.

If it were me that had made the error of reading comprehension, I'd be capable of admitting it.

Please show where they are spending "billions a year" on video games. The only way they are getting that number is if any computer or simulation technology is being included. And yes I call labeling any computer or simulation development "video games" dishonest.

Where do you think you are going with those goalposts?

Willie71 wrote:
American sniper is clearly propaganda. It claimed a moral superiority of the American forces. They are the invading force, and committed atrocious war crimes. There is ZERO moral superiority there.
Yes, I read the book. It's pathetic.

Willie71 wrote:
I don't think I finished it. It was the most pathetic jingoistic piece of crap I've ever tried to read.
Had it on audiobook on a road trip. I kept asking myself who would be.ieve this crap?

Skinny Puppy wrote:

Willie71 wrote:
American sniper is clearly propaganda. It claimed a moral superiority of the American forces. They are the invading force, and committed atrocious war crimes. There is ZERO moral superiority there.
Yes, I read the book. It's pathetic.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=2373632#p2373632

Willie71 wrote:
I don't think I finished it. It was the most pathetic jingoistic piece of crap I've ever tried to read.
Had it on audiobook on a road trip. I kept asking myself who would be.ieve this crap?

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=2373656#p2373656

You read it, but you didn’t read it. Which is it?

Plus, you read it (or didn’t, not sure on that point) and in addition to buying the book you also bought the audio version of it?

Willie71 wrote:

Skinny Puppy wrote:

Willie71 wrote:
American sniper is clearly propaganda. It claimed a moral superiority of the American forces. They are the invading force, and committed atrocious war crimes. There is ZERO moral superiority there.
Yes, I read the book. It's pathetic.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=2373632#p2373632

Willie71 wrote:
I don't think I finished it. It was the most pathetic jingoistic piece of crap I've ever tried to read.
Had it on audiobook on a road trip. I kept asking myself who would be.ieve this crap?

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=2373656#p2373656

You read it, but you didn’t read it. Which is it?

Plus, you read it (or didn’t, not sure on that point) and in addition to buying the book you also bought the audio version of it?

This just shows how intellectually dishonest you are. Is there a difference in reading or listening to the audio book? I subscribe to scribd. Is having it on the iPad different than holding a paper book?

Does it matter if I bought it, downloaded it, or stole it? Which option in which format is relevant?

The book went on and on with jingoistic, bigoted crap. Whether I listened to the last couple chapters or not changes the majority content how?

Did Kyle change his mind, become pro Muslim, anti military in the end? Not what I remember. Maybe I'll read the last chapter to confirm he remained a vile prick. Probably not as the interviews I saw with people who knew him said he was a prick through and through.

I tried to watch the movie too, and it was stomach turning. I just couldn't watch it.

So you thought this was a good read? Is that what you are saying? Are you saying it isn't jingoistic and bigoted? Or are you just trying to poison the well? Come on SP, is this your example of non propaganda, non-jingoistic American neutral culture?

Whether I listened to the last couple chapters
Maybe I'll read the last chapter

The_Metatron wrote:My favorite propaganda film: Strategic Air Command.

B-36 Peacemakers, Jimmy Stewart, June Allyson, Harry Morgan. Beautiful aerial shots.

Have to be ready for those commies, dontcha know.

laklak wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:My favorite propaganda film: Strategic Air Command.

B-36 Peacemakers, Jimmy Stewart, June Allyson, Harry Morgan. Beautiful aerial shots.

Have to be ready for those commies, dontcha know.

Loved that film. I loved all the Air Force (or Army Air Force and Navy carrier) ones. Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, The Bridges at Toko Ri, 12 O'Clock High, Flying Leathernecks, The Battle of Britain, Flying Tigers.

Skinny Puppy wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:You're better than me. I got about twenty pages in, and had enough of that bigoted, hateful little prick. I threw the book away.

Interesting that just 20 pages in, you were able to determine that Kyle was a ‘bigoted, hateful little prick’.

Except for 'Evil in the Crosshairs', which is from pages 8-10, he talks about his childhood, Bustin’ Broncs, being a cowboy, his abilities as a sniper and how he decided to become a SEAL in the other 17 pages.

The book is 269 pages long, (my edition is 269 pages) yet you threw the other 249 pages away and made such a specific determination about Kyle’s personality.

I wish that I had such skills and only had to read 20 pages of a 269 page book in order to glean all that I need to know about its author.

Lacking those skills I actually had to read the book cover-to-cover before I would be able to comment on its author.

The_Metatron wrote:

Skinny Puppy wrote:

The_Metatron wrote:You're better than me. I got about twenty pages in, and had enough of that bigoted, hateful little prick. I threw the book away.

Interesting that just 20 pages in, you were able to determine that Kyle was a ‘bigoted, hateful little prick’.

Except for 'Evil in the Crosshairs', which is from pages 8-10, he talks about his childhood, Bustin’ Broncs, being a cowboy, his abilities as a sniper and how he decided to become a SEAL in the other 17 pages.

The book is 269 pages long, (my edition is 269 pages) yet you threw the other 249 pages away and made such a specific determination about Kyle’s personality.

I wish that I had such skills and only had to read 20 pages of a 269 page book in order to glean all that I need to know about its author.

Lacking those skills I actually had to read the book cover-to-cover before I would be able to comment on its author.

Serve a lifetime in the forces. You'll recognize these fuckers at a glance.

Here are some tip-offs, though: "I only wish I had killed more." "My shots saved several Americans, whose lives were clearly worth more than that woman's twisted soul." "That's why a lot of people, myself included, called the enemy "savages." "I'm not lying or exaggerating to say it was fun."

Just about anyone can make a good determination from just those thoughts. You need nothing else.

Skinny Puppy wrote:

Willie71 wrote:

Skinny Puppy wrote:

Willie71 wrote:
American sniper is clearly propaganda. It claimed a moral superiority of the American forces. They are the invading force, and committed atrocious war crimes. There is ZERO moral superiority there.
Yes, I read the book. It's pathetic.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=2373632#p2373632

Willie71 wrote:
I don't think I finished it. It was the most pathetic jingoistic piece of crap I've ever tried to read.
Had it on audiobook on a road trip. I kept asking myself who would be.ieve this crap?

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=2373656#p2373656

You read it, but you didn’t read it. Which is it?

Plus, you read it (or didn’t, not sure on that point) and in addition to buying the book you also bought the audio version of it?

This just shows how intellectually dishonest you are. Is there a difference in reading or listening to the audio book? I subscribe to scribd. Is having it on the iPad different than holding a paper book?

I never said there was a difference and if you’d kindly read my post again you can verify that. Oh, and I apologise... I had no idea that a simple question or two was intellectual dishonesty in your world. In my world I welcome questions, but that’s just me.

Does it matter if I bought it, downloaded it, or stole it? Which option in which format is relevant?

Please read my post again... please! You’re simply assuming things that I simply never said or implied.

The book went on and on with jingoistic, bigoted crap. Whether I listened to the last couple chapters or not changes the majority content how?

Well, you see... you said that you read it, then you said you didn’t think you finished it, now you either read it (as in reading it all) or you didn’t. One simply can’t have it both ways and still remain consistent.

Did Kyle change his mind, become pro Muslim, anti military in the end? Not what I remember. Maybe I'll read the last chapter to confirm he remained a vile prick. Probably not as the interviews I saw with people who knew him said he was a prick through and through.

I tried to watch the movie too, and it was stomach turning. I just couldn't watch it.

Your stomach has my deepest sympathies.

So you thought this was a good read? Is that what you are saying? Are you saying it isn't jingoistic and bigoted? Or are you just trying to poison the well? Come on SP, is this your example of non propaganda, non-jingoistic American neutral culture?

Please read my post again... please! I made no comment whatsoever about my views regarding its content or its author.


Oh noes... you did it again.

Whether I listened to the last couple chapters
Maybe I'll read the last chapter

You’ve got me confused again. Did you not read the last couple of chapters or just the last chapter? I’m truly sorry, but I (and the rest of us) can only go by what you write here, and so far, your writing is inconsistent.

14 Hilarious Letters From Kids to Soldiers

By Ben Pugh

Those kids say the darndest things don't they? So what will they say when given a school assignment to write to servicemen and women serving overseas during wartime? Some are cute, some are funny, some are violent, and others are just plain random. Here are some of the best that the internet has to offer.
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Alan B wrote:During my school years (WII), we never, never had requests to write to our soldiers fighting the Nazis who were a real and present threat to our freedom at that time. Such overt 'brainwashing' was just not considered, as far as I remember.

purplerat wrote:

Alan B wrote:During my school years (WII), we never, never had requests to write to our soldiers fighting the Nazis who were a real and present threat to our freedom at that time. Such overt 'brainwashing' was just not considered, as far as I remember.

I recall taking a course on 20th century history and it covered WWII propaganda. One thing that always stuck with me was how children's cartoons were used to promote the war effort.

purplerat wrote:

Alan B wrote:During my school years (WII), we never, never had requests to write to our soldiers fighting the Nazis who were a real and present threat to our freedom at that time. Such overt 'brainwashing' was just not considered, as far as I remember.

I recall taking a course on 20th century history and it covered WWII propaganda. One thing that always stuck with me was how children's cartoons were used to promote the war effort.

Alan B wrote:So I googled "British wartime comics".
British Wartime Comics
Memories! But then I was only 9 when the war ended so all the more violent American imports held no interest for me - they were for older kids, certainly not kindergarten age.
We didn't need visits from the military to influence us at school - at any age. All we had to do was to go to the High Street and watch hundreds of soldiers marching to the docks (in the East End of London). Then of course we had the bombs dropping to remind us that there was this fellow Hitler bombing us into submission - or so he thought. We were actually at war with an enemy ready to march into our country. I see no such situation in America to warrant these kindergarten visits.