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#301  Postby Animavore » Jun 06, 2020 8:44 pm

A Temple University student arrested during protests Monday was released from custody Wednesday after video surfaced of one police officer striking him in the head with a baton and another using his knee to pin the student’s face to the street.

Prosecutors dismissed the charges against Evan Gorski, 21, an engineering student, after viewing the YouTube and Twitter videos, according to his attorney, R. Emmett Madden.


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#302  Postby crank » Jun 06, 2020 8:58 pm

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chango369 wrote:Really fucking tired of the "just a few bad apples" cliche.


Have you watched from 21:05 onwards?

I'd like to believe that was sincere, it sure looked sincere, but then you have to consider what's in this tweet, a cop seems to be expressing support like the guy in your vodeo, but as he walks away, flashes a white supremacist sign.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1267995809754173440

If you search for cops flashing white supremacist signs or sporting tattoos, you'll find lots of examples. You'd really kike to believe they're a least a few 'good' apples, but how could they stay in an organization rife with such filth? How often have you heard of good cops stopping a bad one in the middle of a beatdown rather than rushing in to join? I've seen one or two of the former and tons of the latter. This cop flasjes the sign and his fellow officer smiles and both then snicker. It ain't hidden, it's blatant, out in the open.
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#303  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 06, 2020 9:23 pm

crank wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
chango369 wrote:Really fucking tired of the "just a few bad apples" cliche.


Have you watched from 21:05 onwards?

I'd like to believe that was sincere, it sure looked sincere, but then you have to consider what's in this tweet, a cop seems to be expressing support like the guy in your vodeo, but as he walks away, flashes a white supremacist sign.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1267995809754173440

It's not my video and what one white supremacist does, does not invalidate what the two cops in that video do.
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#304  Postby Ironclad » Jun 06, 2020 11:11 pm

Really unpleasant scenes in London. Police and horses were attacked by peaceful protesters.
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Re: Minneapolis 3rd Precinct set on fire

#305  Postby crank » Jun 07, 2020 12:38 am

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
crank wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
chango369 wrote:Really fucking tired of the "just a few bad apples" cliche.


Have you watched from 21:05 onwards?

I'd like to believe that was sincere, it sure looked sincere, but then you have to consider what's in this tweet, a cop seems to be expressing support like the guy in your vodeo, but as he walks away, flashes a white supremacist sign.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1267995809754173440

It's not my video and what one white supremacist does, does not invalidate what the two cops in that video do.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply it was your video, or even chango369's, it was the video in the post you were replying to. I never said it invalidated it, I made it clear I thought it likely it was sincere, but after all that's gone on recently, I can't help it, I'm suspicious. Later that day he might have shot some kid with a rubber bullet for all we know.
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#306  Postby I'm With Stupid » Jun 07, 2020 5:53 am

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A Temple University student arrested during protests Monday was released from custody Wednesday after video surfaced of one police officer striking him in the head with a baton and another using his knee to pin the student’s face to the street.

Prosecutors dismissed the charges against Evan Gorski, 21, an engineering student, after viewing the YouTube and Twitter videos, according to his attorney, R. Emmett Madden.


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I didn't click through, but I assume it goes on to say...

"and arrested the offending officers."

No?
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#307  Postby I'm With Stupid » Jun 07, 2020 5:56 am

Alan C wrote:When I see a tweeter with the random string of numbers I ignore them regardless of what the message.

Yeah interestingly if you search for that first one, the account has now been deleted.
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#308  Postby Seabass » Jun 07, 2020 6:02 am

What bunch of snowflakes. :nono:


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President Trump continues to use inflammatory language as many Americans protest the unlawful death of George Floyd and the unjust treatment of black Americans by our justice system. As the protests have grown, so has the intensity of the president’s rhetoric. He has gone so far as to make a shocking promise: to send active-duty members of the U.S. military to “dominate” protesters in cities throughout the country — with or without the consent of local mayors or state governors.

On Monday, the president previewed his approach on the streets of Washington. He had 1,600 troops from around the country transported to the D.C. area, and placed them on alert, as an unnamed Pentagon official put it, “to ensure faster employment if necessary.” As part of the show of force that Trump demanded, military helicopters made low-level passes over peaceful protesters — a military tactic sometimes used to disperse enemy combatants — scattering debris and broken glass among the crowd. He also had a force, including members of the National Guard and federal officers, that used flash-bang grenades, pepper spray and, according to eyewitness accounts, rubber bullets to drive lawful protesters, as well as members of the media and clergy, away from the historic St. John’s Episcopal Church. All so he could hold a politically motivated photo op there with members of his team, including, inappropriately, Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper and Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Looting and violence are unacceptable acts, and perpetrators should be arrested and duly tried under the law. But as Monday’s actions near the White House demonstrated, those committing such acts are largely on the margins of the vast majority of predominantly peaceful protests. While several past presidents have called on our armed services to provide additional aid to law enforcement in times of national crisis — among them Ulysses S. Grant, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson — these presidents used the military to protect the rights of Americans, not to violate them.

As former leaders in the Defense Department — civilian and military, Republican, Democrat and independent — we all took an oath upon assuming office “to support and defend the Constitution of the United States,” as did the president and all members of the military, a fact that Gen. Milley pointed out in a recent memorandum to members of the armed forces. We are alarmed at how the president is betraying this oath by threatening to order members of the U.S. military to violate the rights of their fellow Americans.

President Trump has given governors a stark choice: either end the protests that continue to demand equal justice under our laws, or expect that he will send active-duty military units into their states. While the Insurrection Act gives the president the legal authority to do so, this authority has been invoked only in the most extreme conditions when state or local authorities were overwhelmed and were unable to safeguard the rule of law. Historically, as Secretary Esper has pointed out, it has rightly been seen as a tool of last resort.

Beyond being unnecessary, using our military to quell protests across the country would also be unwise. This is not the mission our armed forces signed up for: They signed up to fight our nation’s enemies and to secure — not infringe upon — the rights and freedoms of their fellow Americans. In addition, putting our servicemen and women in the middle of politically charged domestic unrest risks undermining the apolitical nature of the military that is so essential to our democracy. It also risks diminishing Americans’ trust in our military — and thus America’s security — for years to come.

As defense leaders who share a deep commitment to the Constitution, to freedom and justice for all Americans, and to the extraordinary men and women who volunteer to serve and protect our nation, we call on the president to immediately end his plans to send active-duty military personnel into cities as agents of law enforcement, or to employ them or any another military or police forces in ways that undermine the constitutional rights of Americans. The members of our military are always ready to serve in our nation’s defense. But they must never be used to violate the rights of those they are sworn to protect.

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Re: Minneapolis 3rd Precinct set on fire

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Re: Minneapolis 3rd Precinct set on fire

#310  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 07, 2020 11:47 am

crank wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
crank wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Have you watched from 21:05 onwards?

I'd like to believe that was sincere, it sure looked sincere, but then you have to consider what's in this tweet, a cop seems to be expressing support like the guy in your vodeo, but as he walks away, flashes a white supremacist sign.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1267995809754173440

It's not my video and what one white supremacist does, does not invalidate what the two cops in that video do.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply it was your video, or even chango369's, it was the video in the post you were replying to. I never said it invalidated it, I made it clear I thought it likely it was sincere, but after all that's gone on recently, I can't help it, I'm suspicious. Later that day he might have shot some kid with a rubber bullet for all we know.

He might also be a bankrobber for all we know. The point is that there's no reason to jump to conclusions of insincerity.
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#311  Postby crank » Jun 07, 2020 12:29 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
crank wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
crank wrote:
I'd like to believe that was sincere, it sure looked sincere, but then you have to consider what's in this tweet, a cop seems to be expressing support like the guy in your vodeo, but as he walks away, flashes a white supremacist sign.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1267995809754173440

It's not my video and what one white supremacist does, does not invalidate what the two cops in that video do.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply it was your video, or even chango369's, it was the video in the post you were replying to. I never said it invalidated it, I made it clear I thought it likely it was sincere, but after all that's gone on recently, I can't help it, I'm suspicious. Later that day he might have shot some kid with a rubber bullet for all we know.

He might also be a bankrobber for all we know. The point is that there's no reason to jump to conclusions of insincerity.

Jumping? Let's see, "I'd like to believe" "Sure looked" "have to consider". Yeah, I was wildly out of control there, I'll really try to temper my excessive leaping from now on.
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#312  Postby crank » Jun 07, 2020 12:33 pm

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Trump must be so proud about this. Oh right, he already demonstrated that ""Hopefully, George is looking down right now and saying, 'This is a great thing that's happening for our country.'"
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#313  Postby crank » Jun 07, 2020 12:44 pm

On a more cough cough, Hillaryuous note, #STFUHillary is trending. Anyone remember 'super predators'? Or that hubby Bill gave us welfare and prison/law enforcement 'reform', two pieces of the massive ramp up in incarceration rates. It ain't just the cops, it's the whole legal system. They could start by making it impossible for DAs/US Attorneys becoming judges, or ex-cops becoming DASs, and somehow eliminate number of arrests/ convictions being the primary incentive.
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#314  Postby crank » Jun 07, 2020 12:54 pm

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He might also be a bankrobber for all we know. The point is that there's no reason to jump to conclusions of insincerity.

Second thought, being a bankrobber is far more honorable than being a banker, at least for the upper echelons of banking. If you don't understand this, you don't understand what's behind these protests.
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#315  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 07, 2020 1:16 pm

crank wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
crank wrote:
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It's not my video and what one white supremacist does, does not invalidate what the two cops in that video do.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply it was your video, or even chango369's, it was the video in the post you were replying to. I never said it invalidated it, I made it clear I thought it likely it was sincere, but after all that's gone on recently, I can't help it, I'm suspicious. Later that day he might have shot some kid with a rubber bullet for all we know.

He might also be a bankrobber for all we know. The point is that there's no reason to jump to conclusions of insincerity.

Jumping? Let's see, "I'd like to believe" "Sure looked" "have to consider". Yeah, I was wildly out of control there, I'll really try to temper my excessive leaping from now on.

The bolded bit was the context for my response. Why would we consider that scenario in the first place?
Also, 'wildly out of control' is a qualifier you added to the discussion.
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#316  Postby chango369 » Jun 07, 2020 1:20 pm

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chango369 wrote:Really fucking tired of the "just a few bad apples" cliche.

snip ...

Have you watched from 21:05 onwards?


I did watch it, but it didn't find it so heartwarming. Sure, there are plenty of "good apples", but the "gangsters with badges", like these assholes in Minneapolis, need to be weeded out.

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#317  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 07, 2020 1:29 pm

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chango369 wrote:Really fucking tired of the "just a few bad apples" cliche.

snip ...

Have you watched from 21:05 onwards?


I did watch it, but it didn't find it so heartwarming. Sure, there are plenty of "good apples", but the "gangsters with badges", like these assholes in Minneapolis, need to be weeded out.


Agreed. :nod:
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#318  Postby The_Piper » Jun 07, 2020 3:49 pm

Anti-American terrorists. The pepper spraying cops, I mean. Pepper spray out the window because they gave them the finger? Suck it up, buttercup. If you want to be a cop, you have to be tough. Not melt the moment someone disapproves. That's not tough. :picard:
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Re: Minneapolis 3rd Precinct set on fire

#320  Postby crank » Jun 07, 2020 5:34 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
crank wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
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Sorry, didn't mean to imply it was your video, or even chango369's, it was the video in the post you were replying to. I never said it invalidated it, I made it clear I thought it likely it was sincere, but after all that's gone on recently, I can't help it, I'm suspicious. Later that day he might have shot some kid with a rubber bullet for all we know.

He might also be a bankrobber for all we know. The point is that there's no reason to jump to conclusions of insincerity.

Jumping? Let's see, "I'd like to believe" "Sure looked" "have to consider". Yeah, I was wildly out of control there, I'll really try to temper my excessive leaping from now on.

The bolded bit was the context for my response. Why would we consider that scenario in the first place?
Also, 'wildly out of control' is a qualifier you added to the discussion.

Is the sarcasm that hard to perceive?

Why are you fighting this? What are you fighting? My whole point is actions/words I would have believed with little to no reservation I no longer can. My whole point is the last few days have hardened me, made me even more cynical and I was pretty fucking cynical about these issues and have been for a long time but I never thought I'd see this. Can you say this hasn't changed your position on cops at all?
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