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Re: November USA 2020 election

#1801  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jan 24, 2021 5:43 pm

Same reason they go around with the name Dick, I guess. It was the style at the time. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say!
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#1802  Postby The_Piper » Jan 24, 2021 6:04 pm

:lol:
Dick is pretty bad too. You can't be named Dick. Noam too, while I'm at it. Don't do this to your child folks.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#1803  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jan 24, 2021 6:09 pm

I suspect you wouldn't have to look to far into his political doings to strongly dislike him for reasons that aren't related to his personal life and baked potato visage.
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#1804  Postby Animavore » Jan 24, 2021 6:12 pm

Newt is short for Newton, though. It's not like he was named Newt. Or nicknamed Newt for his fondness of crawling around vents.

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#1805  Postby Seabass » Jan 24, 2021 6:24 pm

Holy shit, Newt's middle name is Leroy?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich

He could have gone by Leroy this whole time, but instead he chose "Newt"? Why would anyone choose Newt over Leroy? What the fuck is wrong with him? :nono:
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#1806  Postby SafeAsMilk » Jan 24, 2021 6:26 pm

Sometimes you don't get to choose your nickname. I'm betting Newt's is closer to what Ani was saying than he thinks.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#1807  Postby BlackBart » Jan 24, 2021 7:40 pm

Animavore wrote:Or nicknamed Newt for his fondness of crawling around vents. :ask:


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Re: November USA 2020 election

#1808  Postby The_Piper » Jan 24, 2021 7:43 pm

Animavore wrote:Newt is short for Newton, though. It's not like he was named Newt. Or nicknamed Newt for his fondness of crawling around vents.

:ask:

He chooses to go around having people call him Newt. He's complicit. :nono: :lol:

Seabass wrote:Holy shit, Newt's middle name is Leroy?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich

He could have gone by Leroy this whole time, but instead he chose "Newt"? Why would anyone choose Newt over Leroy? What the fuck is wrong with him? :nono:
He's named Newt, that's what's wrong with him. :teef:
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#1809  Postby Matt_B » Jan 24, 2021 11:28 pm

Animavore wrote:Newt is short for Newton, though. It's not like he was named Newt. Or nicknamed Newt for his fondness of crawling around vents.

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You've got to love the irony of someone who spent his entire life pushing an anti-science agenda carrying a name that's pretty much synonymous with hard science.
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#1810  Postby Alan C » Jan 24, 2021 11:45 pm

"Ace? Your nickname was never Ace. Maybe Ace-hole"

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#1811  Postby Caper » Jan 25, 2021 12:40 am



Apparently they all don't get better!
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#1812  Postby Seabass » Jan 25, 2021 2:42 am

Self-styled militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance of Jan. 6 attack, court documents say



Self-styled militia members from Virginia, Ohio and other states made plans to storm the U.S. Capitol days in advance of the Jan. 6 attack, and then communicated in real time as they breached the building on opposite sides and talked about hunting for lawmakers, according to court documents filed Tuesday.

While authorities have charged more than 100 individuals in the riot, details in the new allegations against three U.S. military veterans offer a disturbing look at what they allegedly said to one another before, during and after the attack — statements that indicate a degree of preparation and determination to rush deep into the halls and tunnels of Congress to make “citizens’ arrests” of elected officials.

U.S. authorities charged an apparent leader of the Oath Keepers extremist group, Thomas Edward Caldwell, 66, of Berryville, Va., in the attack, alleging that the Navy veteran helped organize a ring of dozens who coordinated their movements as they “stormed the castle” to disrupt the confirmation of President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral college victory.

“We have about 30-40 of us. We are sticking together and sticking to the plan,” co-defendant Jessica Watkins, 38, an Army veteran, said while the breach was underway, according to court documents.

“You are executing citizen’s arrest. Arrest this assembly, we have probable cause for acts of treason, election fraud,” a man replied, according to audio recordings of communications between Watkins and others during the incursion.

“We are in the main dome right now. We are rocking it. They are throwing grenades, they are fricking shooting people with paint balls. But we are in here,” a woman believed to be Watkins said, according to court documents.

A man then responds, “Get it, Jess,” adding, “This is . . . everything we f---ing trained for!”

The FBI said it recovered the exchange from Zello, a push-to-talk, two-way radio phone app.

FBI charging papers against Caldwell, Watkins and a third person, former U.S. Marine Donovan Crowl, 50, allege that Caldwell and others coordinated in advance to disrupt Congress, scouted for lodging and recruited Oath Keepers members from North Carolina and like-minded groups from the Shenandoah Valley. The group claims thousands of members who assert the right to defy government orders they deem improper. The plotters both anticipated violence and continued to act in concert after the break-in, investigators alleged in court documents. FBI papers also say that Caldwell suggested a similar event at the local level after the attack, saying in a message: “Lets storm the capitol in Ohio. Tell me when!”

The three are charged with five federal counts of conspiracy against the United States; obstructing an official government proceeding; impeding or injuring government officers; and destroying U.S. property, entering restricted grounds and disorderly conduct at the Capitol.

Attempts to reach attorneys for Caldwell, Watkins and Crowl have been unsuccessful. No one immediately responded to messages left at numbers connected to Caldwell.

Watkins, of Woodstock, Ohio, told the Ohio Capital Journal last week that she formed a group known as the Ohio State Regular Militia in 2019 and that it had patrolled 12 protests to “protect people” on both sides. She said she had served a tour in Afghanistan while in the Army. She also said she was a member of the Oath Keepers.

“I didn’t commit a crime. I didn’t destroy anything. I didn’t wreck anything,” Watkins said to the Journal, adding that the riot was a peaceful protest that turned violent.

Crowl’s mother, Teresa Rowe, said she was appalled to see pictures of him in the Capitol. She said he had become radicalized after leaving the Marine Corps.

“I wish I could tell people what happened to him, but I don’t know,” Rowe said.

The arrests this weekend of several people with alleged ties to far-right extremist groups, including the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys and the Three Percenters, suggest that the riot was not an entirely impulsive outburst of violence but an event instigated or exploited by organized groups. Hours of video posted on social media and pored over by investigators have focused on individuals in military-style gear moving together.

FBI probes possible connections between extremist groups at heart of Capitol violence

“This is the first step toward identifying and understanding that there was some type of concerted conspiracy here,” said one senior official with the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, which is leading the investigation.

“Whether everyone else just happened to be there and got caught up in the moment, or if this is just the tip of the iceberg, how much this will grow at this point I can’t tell you, but we are continuing to investigate aggressively,” according to the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a pending investigation.

In charging papers, the FBI said that during the Capitol riot, Caldwell received Facebook messages from unspecified senders updating him of the location of lawmakers. When he posted a one-word message, “Inside,” he received exhortations and directions describing tunnels, doors and hallways, the FBI said.

Some messages, according to the FBI, included, “Tom all legislators are down in the Tunnels 3floors down,” and “Go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps.” Another message read: “All members are in the tunnels under capital seal them in. Turn on gas,” the FBI added.


Other arrests Tuesday also underscored law enforcement’s concerns about threats to elected leaders, particularly because so many of the participants in the Jan. 6 chaos are still unidentified.

In New York, a Queens man who worked in the state court system was accused Tuesday of making threats to murder Democratic politicians, including suggesting another attack on the Capitol timed to Biden’s inauguration. The man was not at the riot on Jan. 6 but made threatening remarks about Democratic politicians beforehand that intensified in a video he posted two days later, which was titled “KILL YOUR SENATORS.” In the video, he encourages people to return to the Capitol and take up arms.

“If anybody has a gun, give it to me, I’ll go there myself and shoot them and kill them,” the man said, according to the FBI.


full article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy-oath-keeper-arrest-capitol-riot/2021/01/19/fb84877a-5a4f-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#1813  Postby Alan C » Jan 25, 2021 10:26 pm

My understanding is that the FBI is hamstrung legally in going after these domestic terrorist organisations compared to international ones. I imagine the difficulty is in crafting new laws that cover these groups that don't risk collateral damage with regards to people's rights there?
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