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Re: November USA 2020 election

#81  Postby Spinozasgalt » Apr 05, 2020 10:46 pm

Maybe he got the idea from Biden?
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#82  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 05, 2020 11:24 pm

What a Nazi rapist he is! You can tell from those tweets that he also fucks watermelons and hates kittens.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#83  Postby OlivierK » Apr 06, 2020 12:29 am

Spinozasgalt wrote:Maybe he got the idea from Biden?
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Yeah, what a surprise that the one thing Dodo clings on to as evidence of Trump running to the left of Biden is also a lie.

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#84  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 06, 2020 1:35 am

OlivierK wrote:What can you do? :dunno:



Nothing in the sense of obliging change, but just keep challenging it. Doing so has a dual function - first, the world has a surfeit of bullshit right now, and while we can't challenge it everywhere, we can definitely challenge it here; secondly, you can see that the people like Dodo who forward these nonsensical contrived distortions really dislike their assertions being challenged, and they deserve that feeling if they're going to engage in such disinformation.

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Re: November USA 2020 election

#85  Postby Alan C » Apr 06, 2020 1:50 am

There's a bunch of senate seats up for re-election at the same time I believe, would there be any governerships as well?
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#86  Postby laklak » Apr 06, 2020 2:51 am

The entire House of Reps is up, a third of the Senate, 11 governorships. All the states have elections for state legislatures, judgeships, etc. Then there's all the local elections.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#87  Postby Hermit » Apr 06, 2020 6:45 am

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Re: November USA 2020 election

#88  Postby The_Piper » Apr 06, 2020 11:53 am

More like I wanted weed, but all they had was catnip.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#89  Postby proudfootz » Apr 06, 2020 1:15 pm

Fingers crossed that all the yelling at a minority of Sanders supporters will have a salutary effect on the millions of Obama supporters who abandoned the Democratic ship in 2016.
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#90  Postby OlivierK » Apr 06, 2020 9:17 pm

Yes, hopefully it will, because they're doing exactly the same thing (indeed some of them are the same people), only the ones who went as far as voting for Trump had twice the electoral effect of those who merely stayed at home.

Two Sanders supporters who stay at home have the same electoral effect as one Sanders supporter going out and voting for Trump. Imagine that we're super early in the vote count, and Democrats - Sanders supporters included - are voting Blue no matter who, and Biden is 2-1 up, after the votes of two Sanders supporters. If those Sanders voters has stayed at home, Trump would be 1-0 up instead. If one flipped to Trump, Trump would be up by one vote 2-1. If just one of the Sanders supporters stays at home, the count would be 1-1.

Play that scene out millions of times across the country, and that will decide the election, as it did in 2016. The question is, do Sanders supporters, and Obama-Trump voters, want to be bit players in that nightmare scenario. If a second Trump term is not a nightmare for them, then they may answer "Sure". Everyone else should get out and vote for whoever the Dems put forward, even Biden.
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#91  Postby Tortured_Genius » Apr 06, 2020 11:15 pm

OlivierK wrote:The question is, do Sanders supporters, and Obama-Trump voters, want to be bit players in that nightmare scenario. If a second Trump term is not a nightmare for them, then they may answer "Sure". Everyone else should get out and vote for whoever the Dems put forward, even Biden.


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Re: November USA 2020 election

#92  Postby Willie71 » Apr 07, 2020 11:26 pm

Spinozasgalt wrote:Maybe he got the idea from Biden?
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Well, Biden did say he would veto Medicare for all.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/biden-s ... ealth.html
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#93  Postby The_Piper » Apr 07, 2020 11:30 pm

If Biden supports universal health care, he's done a wonderful job of not making it known. Just the other day he said that medicare for all wouldn't have stopped this pandemic. He's definitely not going to be trying to get that done for us. The majority of people want it.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#94  Postby Alan C » Apr 08, 2020 4:56 am

Indeed. Although I suspect that however minimal the chances are of universal health care under a Biden presidency, like so many other things it would be impossible under a tRump kleptocracy.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#95  Postby Alan C » Apr 08, 2020 5:28 am

Wisconsin elections are in the news. One thing that strikes me is the queuing that occurs, I realise the number of polling stations was reduced, is that the main reason for queues or is that still pretty common? If so is that mainly due to population? Our queues here are tiny by comparison. We also generally do so on a weekend.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#96  Postby proudfootz » Apr 08, 2020 8:12 am

There's probably a lot of reasons why facilities for voting are inadequate, but the problem is getting worse.

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Re: November USA 2020 election

#97  Postby Cito di Pense » Apr 08, 2020 9:01 am

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Re: November USA 2020 election

#98  Postby The_Piper » Apr 08, 2020 3:36 pm

Sanders dropped out of the race. :waah:
Now what if Biden croaks? President Cuomo? Who probably also won't be stumping for universal health care, but is apparently vastly more mentally competent than Biden.
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Re: November USA 2020 election

#99  Postby theropod_V_2.0 » Apr 08, 2020 4:44 pm

The_Piper wrote:Sanders dropped out of the race. :waah:
Now what if Biden croaks? President Cuomo? Who probably also won't be stumping for universal health care, but is apparently vastly more mentally competent than Biden.


Correction: Bernie ended his campaign, but will not withdraw from remaining primaries. There is difference. If Biden cacks Bernie has earned the nomination by reason of his delegate count.

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Re: November USA 2020 election

#100  Postby Spearthrower » Apr 08, 2020 5:17 pm

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post2 ... l#p2738077

Spearthrower wrote:So Biden for President then.


OlivierK wrote:Hard to get enthusiastic about, but that's the task.



But wait, Trump has some words perhaps a few people here might be amenable to...

Trump wrote:The Bernie people should come to the Republican Party, TRADE!


What a compelling argument, eh?
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