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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19981  Postby felltoearth » Aug 19, 2020 7:35 pm

Mike_L wrote:Binney might yet reexamine his original thesis now that the "hack" claim is looking so threadbare.

It is?
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19982  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 19, 2020 8:02 pm

According to the breathless editorializing Mike's provided and his either woeful misunderstanding or intentional misrepresentation about what has been said to have happened, apparently.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19983  Postby Seabass » Aug 19, 2020 8:07 pm

LOLOLOLOLLLOLOL.

Well, it's funny when you read the title, but then you watch the video and listen to why Trump to wanted to do the swap, and it is of course disgusting and racist and psychopathic.

Ex-DHS official: Trump wasn't joking about wanting to 'swap Puerto Rico' for Greenland





ETA:

Here's the full clip:



I thought it might be hilarious, but of course it turned out to be depressing and infuriating. A bit like the Trump presidency. :sigh:
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19984  Postby Animavore » Aug 19, 2020 8:30 pm

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19985  Postby Mike_L » Aug 19, 2020 8:34 pm

felltoearth wrote:
Mike_L wrote:Binney might yet reexamine his original thesis now that the "hack" claim is looking so threadbare.

It is?


He has already (July 27th this year)...

CIA Fabricated Russiagate ‘Evidence’, Says Former NSA Tech Chief
Thursday, 30 July 2020
Article: Eric Zuesse

An important public statement was made on July 27th by Bill Binney, the U.S. Government’s top expert on the internet, and on computer hacking. He had been the Technical Director of the NSA when he quit and became a whistleblower against that Agency while George W. Bush was the U.S. President and invaded Iraq on the basis of faked evidence. Binney has now laid out, in this speech, the evidence that he wants to present in court against Barack Obama’s CIA, that it defrauded Americans to believe in “Russiagate” (the allegation that Russia ‘hacked’ the computers of Hillary Clinton and Democratic Party officials and fed that information to Wikileaks and other organizations).

Binney cites evidence, which, if true, conclusively proves that Russiagate was actually created fraudulently by the CIA’s extensive evidence-tampering, which subsequently became covered-up by the Special Counsel Robert Mueller, in his investigations for the Democratic Party’s first (and failed) try at impeaching and removing from office U.S. President Donald J. Trump.
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https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL2007/ ... -chief.htm

[10-minute video]



The article above provides a text transcript of the video.

Some excerpts:

We’re looking at the forensic evidence that says the DNC emails were not hacked, they were downloaded and physically transported to Wikileaks.

Well, to us, then, that means that the fabrication of the insert of the Russian signatures means that somebody modified the file and made it look like it fits the Marble framework definition of doing that kind of activity, which thus says all of this boosts with two materials pointing back now to CIA, as the origin of it, that’s the basic evidence we have, and none of it points to Russia.

In fact, we can't even find anything that points to Russia, when in fact the Mueller indictment, or the Mueller report, and that Rosenstein indictment, named some that they called trolls for the Russian government, the IRA, the Internet Research Agency, out of St. Petersburg, and Russia, they named it in a court document, and, well, the IRA over there said we are no way near, we are not in any way associated with, the Russian government, so they sent lawyers in to challenge that in the court of law here in the U.S., and the court charged the government to prove it, and they couldn’t, they couldn’t prove anything, and so the judge basically reprimanded them and said you were never to mention the IRA as in any way affiliated with the Russian government again, so their whole case was falling apart.

That last one is dealt with in more detail in this RT.com article:
DOJ drops charges against ‘Russian trolls’ after they dared demand evidence in US court

* Mueller's inability to damn Trump the way the DNC had hoped he would.
* The worthlessness of the Steele Dossier (which was commissioned by the Hillary campaign).
* The concocted smearing of Michael Flynn
* The inability of Crowdstrike to prove Russian hacking.

Russiagate is emerging very visibly as the DNC-driven hoax that it always was.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19986  Postby Seabass » Aug 19, 2020 8:36 pm

Russiagate Was Not a Hoax

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence confirmed what the Mueller report could not.

Rereading the Mueller report more than a year after its publication is an exercise in disappointment. One gets the feeling that Robert Mueller didn’t press his inquiry to its end. Instead of settling the questions that haunt the 2016 campaign, he left them dangling, publishing a stilted document riddled with insinuation and lacunae. He rushed his work, closing up shop before finishing his assignment.

While Mueller received all the hype, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence kept its head down. Yesterday, having avoided cable speculation almost entirely, the SSCI released the fifth and final volume of a report on Russia’s attempt to sway the last election in Donald Trump’s favor. It finally delivered what Mueller either could not or would not: a comprehensive presentation of the evidence in the matter of “collusion.” The report confirms that Russiagate is no hoax. Whether or not the Trump campaign illegally coordinated with the Kremlin, Trump has no grounds for proclaiming vindication, much less that he’s the victim of a witch hunt.

Credit largely goes to Mark Warner, the ranking Democrat on the SSCI, who shrewdly orchestrated the proceedings. Cultivating a close relationship with the SSCI’s Republican chair, Richard Burr, he worked to keep the investigation deliberately low-key. (The committee did the bulk of its work behind closed doors, without leaks.) As a result, the committee on the whole miraculously avoided the politicization that tainted the broader debate over Russian interference. Each of its findings won bipartisan approval prior to publication. Instead of rushing forward, the committee left the incendiary question of collusion for last.

The thousand-page fifth volume doesn’t definitively settle the question, in part because the SSCI was unable to procure a full record of events. The White House engaged in gamesmanship, invoking executive privilege to deny witnesses and block access to a paper trail. A slew of important witnesses invoked the Fifth Amendment. Others, such as Paul Manafort, lied relentlessly to investigators. The election of 2016 is one of the most closely studied events of recent memory, yet even the best-informed students of Russian interference don’t have a comprehensive understanding of it.

When Mueller’s prosecutors appeared in court, in February 2019, they implied that the most troubling evidence they had uncovered implicated Manafort, the Trump campaign chairman. This wasn’t a surprising admission. Throughout their filings, Mueller’s team referred to Manafort’s Kyiv-based aide-de-camp, Konstantin Kilimnik, as an active Russian agent. Manafort had clearly spoken with Kilimnik during the campaign, and had even passed confidential campaign information to him, with the understanding that the documents would ultimately arrive in the hands of oligarchs close to the Kremlin.

One of the great disappointments of the Mueller Report is that it fails to provide narrative closure after building so much anticipation for the Kilimnik story line. Mueller did not fully explain why Manafort’s relationship with his Ukraine-based adviser so bothered his prosecutors. Why had Manafort passed along the documents? And what did the oligarchs want with them?

The committee fills in the gaps somewhat. It reports that Manafort and Kilimnik talked almost daily during the campaign. They communicated through encrypted technologies set to automatically erase their correspondence; they spoke using code words and shared access to an email account. It’s worth pausing on these facts: The chairman of the Trump campaign was in daily contact with a Russian agent, constantly sharing confidential information with him. That alone makes for one of the worst scandals in American political history.


continued: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/08/russiagate-wasnt-a-hoax/615373/
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19987  Postby Mike_L » Aug 19, 2020 8:44 pm

Russiagate was a hoax. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence trotted out the same drivel that Mueller tried (and failed) to use against Trump, hoping that a different bite angle on the same nothingburger would convince people that a feast was in the offering.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19988  Postby felltoearth » Aug 19, 2020 8:52 pm

You keep saying that, but you haven’t yet refuted any of it. The refutations you have supplied are nothing burgers.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19989  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 19, 2020 8:52 pm

Mike in this thread:

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19990  Postby Alan C » Aug 19, 2020 10:45 pm

The mobster-in-chief isn't exactly disowning QAnon, closer to endorsing them in fact.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19991  Postby Caper » Aug 19, 2020 10:55 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:Mike in this thread:

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I've been calling it "Black Knight Syndrome", and it applies everywhere!
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19992  Postby Alan C » Aug 20, 2020 2:54 am

Animavore wrote:Image


I thought this was satire, are these actual speakers?
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19993  Postby The_Piper » Aug 20, 2020 3:56 am

https://www.usnews.com/news/elections/articles/2020-08-18/list-of-trumps-gop-convention-speakers-takes-shape I can verify the yuppie gun couple and the maga hat kid. Is this the real life? Is Donald Trump really president and has actually lost even more marbles than he had on election day, which was already only a couple of chipped ones to begin with? 53 Repub. senators, iirc, and the only one black one will speak. :shock: Quelle surprise. I won't hear any of it, I can't bear to. I didn't bother listening to the Democrats either. I'll probably get around to some of that, check out Bernie and weekend at Biden's. :teef:
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19994  Postby SafeAsMilk » Aug 20, 2020 3:58 am

If racist gun couple aren't holding their guns and the husband isn't wearing the pink shirt, I'm gonna be disappointed.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19995  Postby The_Piper » Aug 20, 2020 4:07 am

Actually, once singular videos are out, I'll watch the racist gun couple out of dark curiosity. :lol: My Pillow Guy, if I had to bet I'd say he'll speak. The weak "pleading drug addict/wooing TV evangelist" act wooed over the president. If he was even in character in private with "Mr" Trump. Usually I'm not overly impressed with Anderson Cooper, but he did good here. Particularly poor showing by the pillow guy.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19996  Postby Mike_L » Aug 20, 2020 5:12 am

The_Piper wrote:Actually, once singular videos are out, I'll watch the racist gun couple out of dark curiosity. :lol:


President-to-be Tucker Carlson (2024) ( :grin: ) did an interview in late June / early July...

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19997  Postby Spinozasgalt » Aug 20, 2020 5:56 am

Some of the names that @PBaranenko account (pseudonym of Kilimnik according to the report) retweeted are here. They look pretty familiar.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19998  Postby Mike_L » Aug 20, 2020 9:21 am

Ben Norton, Aaron Maté, Matt Taibbi, Max Blumenthal... all my heroes. :) Just disappointed that Caitlin Johnstone isn't there as well. :(
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#19999  Postby Mike_L » Aug 20, 2020 10:32 am

The opinion piece (they call it 'Ideas') in The Atlantic is good for a chuckle...

A link on the page shows the author, Franklin Foer, to be a dedicated Russiagate conspiracy theorist. The link is to another of his pieces (aptly labeled 'Story by Franklin Foer'). Story indeed. It's titled: 'Putin Is Well on His Way to Stealing the Next Election', with the subtitle 'RIP Democracy'.
:lol:
Amazing that the Empire... with its CIA, NSA, FBI... and others, totaling seventeen (!) intelligence agencies can't run a secure election. Perhaps Foer should head up an eighteenth one... just to help protect the upcoming election.
Even so, it's an election for everybody to lose. And not just Americans...!
'Caitlin Johnstone: According to US Intelligence, if Trump wins Russia did it, If Biden wins it was China and Iran'.

Back to the first Franklin Foer piece...

It's amusing to see the confidence in the emphatic heading ('Russiagate Was Not a Hoax') gradually dwindle as the story progresses.
Along the way we get...
The thousand-page fifth volume doesn’t definitively settle the question [of collusion]...

What?! This -- on top of the two-year $32 million Mueller Investigation -- and they still haven't found what they've been desperately looking for! :lol:

Foer also gives us...
...fills in the gaps somewhat...

"Somewhat"? :lol:
...and...
The significant revelation of the document is that Kilimnik was likely a participant in the Kremlin scheme to hack and leak Clinton campaign emails.
(Emphasis added)
So the "significant revelation" is just a guess! ("likely a participant")
Please, Foer, give us some of the insignificant ones as well! :lol:

It eventually ends with...
So many aspects of Trump-campaign behavior were suspicious—and designed to evade detection—that the truth remains elusive, even after a careful Senate investigation. The publication of this admirable report should not mark the end of the quest to uncover what really happened.

Translation:
Even after "a careful Senate investigation", the best we get is an "admirable report" that contains basically nothing... but we'll keep plugging the fiction of "what really happened" anyway.

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#20000  Postby felltoearth » Aug 20, 2020 10:38 am

They’d have a better chance if their efforts weren’t being thwarted by the *checks notes* President, GOP, and AG.
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