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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8621  Postby james1v » Aug 12, 2017 1:36 am

I'm torn, is Kim or Trump dead yet? :popcorn:

I think, both need to leave this planet, along with their "bigly" friend, Putin.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8622  Postby proudfootz » Aug 12, 2017 1:50 am

james1v wrote:I'm torn, is Kim or Trump dead yet? :popcorn:

I think, both need to leave this planet, along with their "bigly" friend, Putin.


When all the humans are dead, then maybe we can get some peace and quiet around here!

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8623  Postby Alan C » Aug 12, 2017 6:00 am

I'm not sure still that it's all just hysteria though. I would think that part of the problem is the methods that intelligence agencies would have used to reach this assessment are generally classified.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... 3ba088ec4a

I particularly note Comey's comments [under oath] in this one;

Comey, June 8: There should be no fuzz on this whatsoever. The Russians interfered in our election during the 2016 cycle. They did with purpose. They did it with sophistication. They did it with overwhelming technical efforts. It was an active measures campaign driven from the top of that government. There is no fuzz on that. It is a high confidence judgment of the entire intelligence community and the members of this committee have seen the intelligence. It’s not a close call. That happened. That’s about as unfake as you can possibly get. It is very, very serious, which is why it’s so refreshing to see a bipartisan focus on that. This is about America, not about a particular party.


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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8624  Postby Oldskeptic » Aug 12, 2017 7:22 am

Alan C wrote:I'm not sure still that it's all just hysteria though. I would think that part of the problem is the methods that intelligence agencies would have used to reach this assessment are generally classified.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... 3ba088ec4a

I particularly note Comey's comments [under oath] in this one;

Comey, June 8: There should be no fuzz on this whatsoever. The Russians interfered in our election during the 2016 cycle. They did with purpose. They did it with sophistication. They did it with overwhelming technical efforts. It was an active measures campaign driven from the top of that government. There is no fuzz on that. It is a high confidence judgment of the entire intelligence community and the members of this committee have seen the intelligence. It’s not a close call. That happened. That’s about as unfake as you can possibly get. It is very, very serious, which is why it’s so refreshing to see a bipartisan focus on that. This is about America, not about a particular party.


http://www.factcheck.org/2017/07/trump- ... a-hacking/


And then Comey was fired by Trump for investigating something that Trump "knew" was a waste of time.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8625  Postby chango369 » Aug 12, 2017 8:22 am

More 19th hole statesmanship.

US President Donald Trump would not rule out the possibility of a military intervention in Venezuela, he told reporters Friday.

"We have many options for Venezuela. And by the way, I am not going to rule out a military option," Trump said following a meeting with US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson at his New Jersey golf club.


Venezuela calls Trump's warning of possible military action a 'crazy act'
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8626  Postby Pulsar » Aug 12, 2017 9:16 am

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8627  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Aug 12, 2017 11:13 am

chango369 wrote:More 19th hole statesmanship.

US President Donald Trump would not rule out the possibility of a military intervention in Venezuela, he told reporters Friday.

"We have many options for Venezuela. And by the way, I am not going to rule out a military option," Trump said following a meeting with US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson at his New Jersey golf club.


Venezuela calls Trump's warning of possible military action a 'crazy act'

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Not content to threaten a nuclear war with NK, he's also looking for a side-show in Venezuela? FFS.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8628  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 12, 2017 11:28 am

He is doing so badly in the polls he thinks he pulling out the stops. The moron should be locked up and the 25th amendment be applied.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8629  Postby Animavore » Aug 12, 2017 12:14 pm

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8630  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Aug 12, 2017 1:38 pm

:this:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8631  Postby aban57 » Aug 12, 2017 1:54 pm

It would be hilarious to see him kicked out of twitter :D
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8632  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 12, 2017 2:41 pm

WW3 started by a tweet?

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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8633  Postby crank » Aug 12, 2017 5:40 pm

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The_Metatron wrote:Are there any other IT engineers here to look at that stuff?

I have.

First, the author is anonymous. Then, he based all his conclusions on "metadata" to which he alone has access.

I'm curious, how some anonymous dude ends up with actual evidence for forensic analysis.

That article reeks of conspiracy theory.


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What author? This reports on collaboration by a number of folk, including Binney, who I have quite a bit of faith in for obvious reasons to anyone who pays attention to this stuff. These are very serious people with serious reputations, the anonymous contributors have histories of doing quality work. And what they're finding is easily verifiable by others if given the data. It reeks of the [white-hat] hacking community, and I'd trust most of them far more than the 3-letter agencies or any pol.

Forensicator, that's who.

He makes some other bullshit assertions:

    1. Such network speeds were unavailable in 2016.

    2. He "tested" a file transfer from a server 20 miles away.

    3. The transfer was from the east coast, based on time stamps in this mysterious metadata of his.

We can work with those three for now.

1. I know for a positive fact that gigabit speeds existed to any business in downtown Eugene, Oregon with a hundred bucks a month, since at least 2014 when I started working for the City.

2. 20 miles, eh? Through his own, direct path network? If that server wasn't at Forensicator's ISP twenty miles away, that data path could easily go out of state before it reaches his test server. The test claim is bullshit. No network engineer would make it, it has no meaning.

You should at least look at the article if you're going to criticize it, further details:
What is the maximum achievable speed? Forensicator recently ran a test download of a comparable data volume (and using a server speed not available in 2016) 40 miles from his computer via a server 20 miles away and came up with a speed of 11.8 megabytes per second—half what the DNC operation would need were it a hack.


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3. Time stamps, eh? Timestamps of what, exactly? They're claiming in that article that this was a USB stick file copy. Oh, really? If that's so, exactly what system clock was used to make the fucking timestamps of the magic metadata that only he has? USB drives are passive. They don't have clocks to timestamp anything. If there are any timestamps involved in a USB file copy, they are generated by the host's system clock. You know, the DNC server itself, which was on the east coast. Waddya know?

Let's talk about that metadata. He has metadata that shows transfer speeds, but mysteriously doesn't record the interface that transferred it? Bullshit. Such metadata, if it even exists, would be useless without also recording what network interface the transfer used.

Let's go back to that east coast claim. VPN, anyone? Or, perhaps Comrade Hacker simply used a compromised server anywhere on the east coast from, oh, any fucking place on earth? Jesus. If I can think of these out of hand, there are surely more.


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There are all kinds of time stamps put into file metadata, this is done by the OS, the USB is just a drive, it writes data that it's told to write [I know this is over-simplified, and drives get more and more of the proc workload put on them, and it depends on the file system in question, and mode like IDE vs AHCI, and compression issues and god knows what ZFS can do, and etc etc, but the easiest way to see it is the data source is the PC, not the drive, and that includes what time is the system time that is used for the timestamps]. Why and how would an OS records metadata about the network it sends a file over? You can use timestamps to calculate how fast the file is transferred. Timestamps have timezone data included. And the story being told so adamantly is how they know it was done from a known IP address associated with the Russian government somewhere in Eastern Europe I think, it says Romania in the article, I have no reason to doubt that. And I don't know enough about the gigabit connections available around the world, but I'd trust these guys to. And connection rate and transfer rate are not all that closely related, if you have a gigabit line to your ISP, how fast can you download from a BBS with a 2400 Baud modem? Any proxies used to obfuscate his actual position are going to slow thngs down tremendously.

What it really boils down to is who you gonna trust? The 3-letterers or these guys:
ualified experts working independently of one another began to examine the DNC case immediately after the July 2016 events. Prominent among these is a group comprising former intelligence officers, almost all of whom previously occupied senior positions. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), founded in 2003, now has 30 members, including a few associates with backgrounds in national-security fields other than intelligence. The chief researchers active on the DNC case are four: William Binney, formerly the NSA’s technical director for world geopolitical and military analysis and designer of many agency programs now in use; Kirk Wiebe, formerly a senior analyst at the NSA’s SIGINT Automation Research Center; Edward Loomis, formerly technical director in the NSA’s Office of Signal Processing; and Ray McGovern, an intelligence analyst for nearly three decades and formerly chief of the CIA’s Soviet Foreign Policy Branch. Most of these men have decades of experience in matters concerning Russian intelligence and the related technologies. This article reflects numerous interviews with all of them conducted in person, via Skype, or by telephone.


Like I said earlier, Binney's presence alone gives great credence to these people. If you don't know his history, I'd recommend looking into, it's highly fascinating and revealing. If they trust Forensicator, then I would also. From the article:
The Forensicator’s July 9 document indicates he lives in the Pacific Time Zone, which puts him on the West Coast. His notes describing his investigative procedures support this. But little else is known of him. Adam Carter, in turn, is located in England, but the name is a coy pseudonym: It derives from a character in a BBC espionage series called Spooks. It is protocol in this community, Elizabeth Vos told me in a telephone conversation this week, to respect this degree of anonymity. Kirk Wiebe, the former SIGINT analyst at the NSA, thinks Forensicator could be “someone very good with the FBI,” but there is no certainty. Unanimously, however, all the analysts and forensics investigators interviewed for this column say Forensicator’s advanced expertise, evident in the work he has done, is unassailable. They hold a similarly high opinion of Adam Carter’s work.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8634  Postby crank » Aug 12, 2017 5:46 pm

aban57 wrote:It would be hilarious to see him kicked out of twitter :D

Are you kidding, it would be a fucking tragedy. We need this link to his brain, it's our best tool in trying to rid ourselves of him.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8635  Postby aban57 » Aug 12, 2017 8:48 pm

crank wrote:
aban57 wrote:It would be hilarious to see him kicked out of twitter :D

Are you kidding, it would be a fucking tragedy. We need this link to his brain, it's our best tool in trying to rid ourselves of him.


I think if this happens, he'll turn super-sayan and destroy the world in a single attack.

More seriously, we already have accounts of people working around him telling how his rage outbursts are annoying. If he doesn't have twitter to express some of that rage, his heart won't survive.
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Re: President Trump Watch.

#8636  Postby The_Metatron » Aug 12, 2017 10:47 pm

crank wrote:
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crank wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:Are there any other IT engineers here to look at that stuff?

I have.

First, the author is anonymous. Then, he based all his conclusions on "metadata" to which he alone has access.

I'm curious, how some anonymous dude ends up with actual evidence for forensic analysis.

That article reeks of conspiracy theory.


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What author? This reports on collaboration by a number of folk, including Binney, who I have quite a bit of faith in for obvious reasons to anyone who pays attention to this stuff. These are very serious people with serious reputations, the anonymous contributors have histories of doing quality work. And what they're finding is easily verifiable by others if given the data. It reeks of the [white-hat] hacking community, and I'd trust most of them far more than the 3-letter agencies or any pol.

Forensicator, that's who.

He makes some other bullshit assertions:

    1. Such network speeds were unavailable in 2016.

    2. He "tested" a file transfer from a server 20 miles away.

    3. The transfer was from the east coast, based on time stamps in this mysterious metadata of his.

We can work with those three for now.

1. I know for a positive fact that gigabit speeds existed to any business in downtown Eugene, Oregon with a hundred bucks a month, since at least 2014 when I started working for the City.

2. 20 miles, eh? Through his own, direct path network? If that server wasn't at Forensicator's ISP twenty miles away, that data path could easily go out of state before it reaches his test server. The test claim is bullshit. No network engineer would make it, it has no meaning.

You should at least look at the article if you're going to criticize it, further details:
What is the maximum achievable speed? Forensicator recently ran a test download of a comparable data volume (and using a server speed not available in 2016) 40 miles from his computer via a server 20 miles away and came up with a speed of 11.8 megabytes per second—half what the DNC operation would need were it a hack.


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3. Time stamps, eh? Timestamps of what, exactly? They're claiming in that article that this was a USB stick file copy. Oh, really? If that's so, exactly what system clock was used to make the fucking timestamps of the magic metadata that only he has? USB drives are passive. They don't have clocks to timestamp anything. If there are any timestamps involved in a USB file copy, they are generated by the host's system clock. You know, the DNC server itself, which was on the east coast. Waddya know?

Let's talk about that metadata. He has metadata that shows transfer speeds, but mysteriously doesn't record the interface that transferred it? Bullshit. Such metadata, if it even exists, would be useless without also recording what network interface the transfer used.

Let's go back to that east coast claim. VPN, anyone? Or, perhaps Comrade Hacker simply used a compromised server anywhere on the east coast from, oh, any fucking place on earth? Jesus. If I can think of these out of hand, there are surely more.


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There are all kinds of time stamps put into file metadata, this is done by the OS, the USB is just a drive, it writes data that it's told to write [I know this is over-simplified, and drives get more and more of the proc workload put on them, and it depends on the file system in question, and mode like IDE vs AHCI, and compression issues and god knows what ZFS can do, and etc etc, but the easiest way to see it is the data source is the PC, not the drive, and that includes what time is the system time that is used for the timestamps]. Why and how would an OS records metadata about the network it sends a file over? You can use timestamps to calculate how fast the file is transferred. Timestamps have timezone data included. And the story being told so adamantly is how they know it was done from a known IP address associated with the Russian government somewhere in Eastern Europe I think, it says Romania in the article, I have no reason to doubt that. And I don't know enough about the gigabit connections available around the world, but I'd trust these guys to. And connection rate and transfer rate are not all that closely related, if you have a gigabit line to your ISP, how fast can you download from a BBS with a 2400 Baud modem? Any proxies used to obfuscate his actual position are going to slow thngs down tremendously.

What it really boils down to is who you gonna trust? The 3-letterers or these guys:
ualified experts working independently of one another began to examine the DNC case immediately after the July 2016 events. Prominent among these is a group comprising former intelligence officers, almost all of whom previously occupied senior positions. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), founded in 2003, now has 30 members, including a few associates with backgrounds in national-security fields other than intelligence. The chief researchers active on the DNC case are four: William Binney, formerly the NSA’s technical director for world geopolitical and military analysis and designer of many agency programs now in use; Kirk Wiebe, formerly a senior analyst at the NSA’s SIGINT Automation Research Center; Edward Loomis, formerly technical director in the NSA’s Office of Signal Processing; and Ray McGovern, an intelligence analyst for nearly three decades and formerly chief of the CIA’s Soviet Foreign Policy Branch. Most of these men have decades of experience in matters concerning Russian intelligence and the related technologies. This article reflects numerous interviews with all of them conducted in person, via Skype, or by telephone.

Like I said earlier, Binney's presence alone gives great credence to these people. If you don't know his history, I'd recommend looking into, it's highly fascinating and revealing. If they trust Forensicator, then I would also. From the article:
The Forensicator’s July 9 document indicates he lives in the Pacific Time Zone, which puts him on the West Coast. His notes describing his investigative procedures support this. But little else is known of him. Adam Carter, in turn, is located in England, but the name is a coy pseudonym: It derives from a character in a BBC espionage series called Spooks. It is protocol in this community, Elizabeth Vos told me in a telephone conversation this week, to respect this degree of anonymity. Kirk Wiebe, the former SIGINT analyst at the NSA, thinks Forensicator could be “someone very good with the FBI,” but there is no certainty. Unanimously, however, all the analysts and forensics investigators interviewed for this column say Forensicator’s advanced expertise, evident in the work he has done, is unassailable. They hold a similarly high opinion of Adam Carter’s work.

You are welcome to trust whomever you like. For all you know, Adam Carter and Forensicator are nineteen different people. This is my field, and I've told you that there are holes in your hackers' story.

We'll see what the buildings full of analysts in the intel community, along with Mueller's investigation reveal, won't we?

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That was when we moved into our house. I had only about 65 Mbps in Cheyenne. For fuck sakes, I was getting 22 Mbps over a goddamned phone line when I lived in Belgium.

Notice that speed was from Seattle. Farther than 20 miles from me. If the hapless forensicator can't match that, he needs a new ISP.

Finally, a well chosen proxy sure as fuck won't slow things down, it will speed them up. Forensicator ignored this, just like you are. If I'm behind a bandwidth limited pipe, I choose a compromised proxy host from which I will do my dirty work. From the hacked machine, that's as far as the trail can go. Unless the investigators can get their hands on the proxy host.

Shit, rootkit a server close to the target, execute the attack from there, then send the payload wherever you want the slow way, at your convenience. Trivial.

Oh, and just for fun, I ran a test from my back yard in Centralia, Washington to Utica, New York.

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Poor old forensicator is looking a little shaky. I've got data, man. Right here. No magic metadata.


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#8637  Postby OlivierK » Aug 12, 2017 10:58 pm

The claim is for 22 MB/s, not 22 Mbps, I believe. The claim that this was not possible in 2016 still seems wrong, but not as braindead as claiming 22Mbps wasn't possible.
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#8638  Postby proudfootz » Aug 13, 2017 1:17 am

We are fortunate we don't have to depend wholly on hypothesizing by third parties.

One of the people involved in the DNC leaks has gone public:

[quote]Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and an associate of Assange, has said categorically that the WikiLeaks source was a leak from an insider, not a hack. In an email message last week to former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, which McGovern shared with me, Murray wrote: “To my certain knowledge neither the DNC nor Podesta leaks to Wikileaks involved Russia. I met with someone while in Washington who, to the best of my knowledge, was an actual leaker.”

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/08/a ... rder-case/[/quote]
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#8639  Postby Oldskeptic » Aug 13, 2017 2:44 am

proudfootz wrote:We are fortunate we don't have to depend wholly on hypothesizing by third parties.

One of the people involved in the DNC leaks has gone public:

Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan and an associate of Assange, has said categorically that the WikiLeaks source was a leak from an insider, not a hack. In an email message last week to former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, which McGovern shared with me, Murray wrote: “To my certain knowledge neither the DNC nor Podesta leaks to Wikileaks involved Russia. I met with someone while in Washington who, to the best of my knowledge, was an actual leaker.”

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/08/a ... rder-case/


Murray went public 9 months ago and since then, except for far left and far right web sites, the claim has been investigated and debunked.
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#8640  Postby proudfootz » Aug 13, 2017 2:52 am

I see - all the PC websites debunked the claim.
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