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Putin says it like it is!

#1  Postby Mike_L » Oct 25, 2014 12:47 pm

Putin Lashes Out At US, West For Destabilizing World

Vladimir Putin lashed out at the United States and the West for destabilizing the world order of checks and balances for its own gains. He also accused the West of inflaming the situation in Ukraine and said Russia is not interested in building an empire.

The Russian President delivered a fierce broadside aimed at the United States in a speech for the Valdai Club in Sochi, which is an informal group of scholars. He hit out at Washington for behaving without regard to the rest of the world's interests.

“The system of international relations needed some changes, but the USA, who believe they were the winners of the Cold War, have not seen the need for this.” He added that the US has been trying to create the world “for their own gains." The Russian President added that because of this, regional and global security had been weakened.
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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#2  Postby Thommo » Oct 25, 2014 12:55 pm

Yeah, the fucking US destablizing Ukraine, that's totally how it is. :roll:

I can't believe the nerve of those guys, sending in special forces to invade a foreign sovereign territory then denying their presence. Then they even have the nerve to criticize those poor innocent Russians who are such champions of freedom and human rights. Ooh, the nerve. You go Putin, tell it like it is.
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#3  Postby Weaver » Oct 25, 2014 4:19 pm

What a blowhard.
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#4  Postby Nebogipfel » Oct 25, 2014 4:47 pm

Why on earth should I believe anything Putin says about anything? :coffee:
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#5  Postby Arcanyn » Oct 25, 2014 4:52 pm

Damned US destabilising the world. That's Putin's job! No wonder he's upset.
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#6  Postby Varangian » Oct 25, 2014 5:31 pm

Putin telling the truth? That would be the day!
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#7  Postby DougC » Oct 25, 2014 6:17 pm

He really lives in his own wee world.
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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#8  Postby Made of Stars » Oct 25, 2014 10:30 pm

DougC wrote:He really lives in his own wee world.

Agree. Unfortunately, he controls the Soviet Russian media machine, so his wee world involves a lot of people. When's his Presidential term up? It will be interesting to see how he manipulates the system to gain even more time pulling everyone's chain.
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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#9  Postby laklak » Oct 26, 2014 12:57 am

He'll just get another puppet elected and get himself appointed Prime Minister, then run again for Prez after one term.
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#10  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Oct 26, 2014 1:10 am

Putin it into perspective. :-)
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#11  Postby laklak » Oct 26, 2014 1:13 am

Putin On The Ritz

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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#12  Postby Made of Stars » Oct 26, 2014 3:11 am

That's gotta smart. :shifty:
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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#13  Postby Weaver » Oct 26, 2014 4:29 am

Nah - he has no balls.

(If he did, he wouldn't have forced his paratroopers to turn in their ID cards before being sent over the border so they could claim they were "on leave" fighting in Ukraine).
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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#14  Postby Mike_L » Oct 26, 2014 6:53 am

Absent from the inevitable slew of snide remarks is any meaningful appraisal of Putin's speech. Unhappily for the Putin bashers, the comments he makes are entirely accurate.
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#15  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Oct 26, 2014 8:34 am

Did you seriously sit down and watch that man talk for 40 minutes? I noticed people in the crowd falling asleep after a few sentences.
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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#16  Postby Mike_L » Oct 26, 2014 9:06 am

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:Did you seriously sit down and watch that man talk for 40 minutes? I noticed people in the crowd falling asleep after a few sentences.

I had it playing in the background while I was busy doing some other stuff.
And I read the summary on the webpage at Information Clearing House (link in original post).
I'm not infatuated with Putin and I don't agree with 100% of what he says, but the gist of his comments here is ably supported by observation of current events. Does anyone seriously contest the claim that U.S. / coalition / NATO interventions in the Middle East (most notably Iraq) and North Africa (Libya) have had destabilizing effects in those regions?
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#17  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Oct 26, 2014 9:19 am

I agree that the net impact of the USA on the middle east in the past decade has been to destabilize the region. I would just point out that if Putin is going to raise this argument, now isn't the best time. Not while his mob is destabilizing an entire nation and not after that plane was shot down. (oh yea, that was a CIA gubment plot, yehaw, bring back the gold standard)
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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#18  Postby Mike_L » Oct 26, 2014 9:52 am

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:I agree that the net impact of the USA on the middle east in the past decade has been to destabilize the region. I would just point out that if Putin is going to raise this argument, now isn't the best time. Not while his mob is destabilizing an entire nation and not after that plane was shot down. (oh yea, that was a CIA gubment plot, yehaw, bring back the gold standard)


It was magikrooster who made claims to that effect (about MH17). I never said anything of the sort...

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The weight of evidence suggests that pro-Russian separatists are responsible for the outrageous downing of the Malaysian flight. And naturally the individuals involved should be held accountable. But to shift the blame onto Putin/Russia is to ignore a long sequence of events that led up to the outbreak of the Ukrainian conflict in the first place.
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news-politics/malaysian-777-crashes-near-ukraine-russian-border-t46139-60.html#p2046888
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#19  Postby Ihavenofingerprints » Oct 26, 2014 11:00 am

My bad
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Re: Putin says it like it is!

#20  Postby Made of Stars » Oct 26, 2014 11:00 am

Weaver wrote:Nah - he has no balls.

(If he did, he wouldn't have forced his paratroopers to turn in their ID cards before being sent over the border so they could claim they were "on leave" fighting in Ukraine).

Pretty soft troops, if they have to go camping in armoured columns. :coffee:
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