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Re: Republican Watch

#1621  Postby Seabass » Jan 10, 2021 4:43 am



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Re: Republican Watch

#1622  Postby Seabass » Jan 10, 2021 8:22 pm

One of our two new Qanon Republican congresswomen. :facepalm:

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Re: Republican Watch

#1624  Postby Tortured_Genius » Jan 10, 2021 9:23 pm

I was thinking "couldn't she have mentioned great things Americans have done without making shit up?"

Like putting a man on the moon.

Then remembered that was a hoax.
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Re: Republican Watch

#1625  Postby The_Piper » Jan 10, 2021 9:43 pm

God, what a shithead. :lol: :waah:
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Re: Republican Watch

#1626  Postby Thommo » Jan 11, 2021 12:45 am

ronmcd wrote:Good grief.

On a completely unrelated note, I went to John Logie Baird primary school in Helensburgh, Scotland. :coffee:


Funnily enough, I think Baird inventing TV is one of our dubious claims, although the US claim relating to Farnsworth is also subject to challenge. I think she's right about the cell phone and airplane (more or less). Not so much when it comes to electricity or cars though. Generously, I think she can claim 3/5.
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Re: Republican Watch

#1627  Postby Hermit » Jan 11, 2021 3:40 am

Seabass wrote:One of our two new Qanon Republican congresswomen. :facepalm:

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She's an ignorant chauvinist. Just looking at the first two claims:

Electricity was not invented. Ever. If anyone had "invented" how it could be generated and used, it would be Alessandro Volta, who was born in Italy in 1775 and lived there all his life. Volta invented the electric battery. He also discovered how electricity could be generated chemically. The electric unit Volt is derived from his name.

The horseless carriage aka automobile aka car was invented by Carl Benz. The Benz Patent-Motorwagen, built in 1885 by Karl Benz, is widely regarded as the world's first production automobile. Benz was born in Germany (German Confederation for the pedants) in 1844, and lived there all his life.
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Re: Republican Watch

#1628  Postby The_Piper » Jan 11, 2021 3:55 am

Hermit wrote:
Seabass wrote:One of our two new Qanon Republican congresswomen. :facepalm:

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She's an ignorant chauvinist. Just looking at the first two claims:

Electricity was not invented. Ever. If anyone had "invented" how it could be generated and used, it would be Alessandro Volta, who was born in Italy in 1775 and lived there all his life. Volta invented the electric battery. He also discovered how electricity could be generated chemically. The electric unit Volt is derived from his name.

The horseless carriage aka automobile aka car was invented by Carl Benz. The Benz Patent-Motorwagen, built in 1885 by Karl Benz, is widely regarded as the world's first production automobile. Benz was born in Germany (German Confederation for the pedants) in 1844, and lived there all his life.

Shame on her, it's her holy spirit who invented electricity, 6000 years ago when he invented the universe. I always wonder where he was standing when he did that. :lol:
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Re: Republican Watch

#1629  Postby Seabass » Jan 11, 2021 7:41 pm

6 January 2021:
Hundreds of lawmakers and staff gathered in a 'crowded' location after the Capitol siege but some Republicans refused to wear masks, lawmaker says
"About half of the people in the room are not wearing masks," she said. "Even though they've been offered surgical masks, they refuse to wear them."

She said the people refusing masks were Republicans, especially those that were recently elected.

"Some of the newer Republican members are openly flaunting that they are refusing to wear a mask," she said.



11 January 2021:
Bonnie Watson Coleman Receives Positive Coronavirus Test Following January 6 Capitol Lockdown
Today, Congresswoman Bonnie Watson Coleman (NJ-12) received a positive rapid antigen test result for COVID-19. She believes she was exposed during protective isolation in the U.S. Capitol building as a result of insurrectionist riots. As reported by multiple news outlets, a number of members within the space ignored instructions to wear masks.

“I received a positive test result for COVID-19, and am home resting at this time. While I am experiencing mild, cold-like symptoms, I remain in good spirits and will continue to work on behalf of my constituents.”

Watson Coleman is isolating and awaiting the results of PCR testing; she previously received the first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID19 vaccine, which has been made available to members of Congress, the Supreme Court, and Executive Branch agencies for the purposes of continuity of government operations.


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Re: Republican Watch

#1630  Postby ronmcd » Jan 11, 2021 9:50 pm

Thommo wrote:
ronmcd wrote:Good grief.

On a completely unrelated note, I went to John Logie Baird primary school in Helensburgh, Scotland. :coffee:


Funnily enough, I think Baird inventing TV is one of our dubious claims, although the US claim relating to Farnsworth is also subject to challenge. I think she's right about the cell phone and airplane (more or less). Not so much when it comes to electricity or cars though. Generously, I think she can claim 3/5.

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Re: Republican Watch

#1631  Postby Matt_B » Jan 11, 2021 10:32 pm

I'd have said that all of those things, as we now use them, are the products of a century of international collaboration in science and technology.

Also, you can't overlook the role government funding and oversight played in their creation. That's almost as egregious as claiming them all for the US in the first place.
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Re: Republican Watch

#1632  Postby ronmcd » Jan 11, 2021 10:40 pm

It's a little like here where some in the UK government hailed being first to approve the first covid vaccine as some sort of great British scientific success story.
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Re: Republican Watch

#1633  Postby Seabass » Jan 12, 2021 6:48 am

Seabass wrote:6 January 2021:
Hundreds of lawmakers and staff gathered in a 'crowded' location after the Capitol siege but some Republicans refused to wear masks, lawmaker says
"About half of the people in the room are not wearing masks," she said. "Even though they've been offered surgical masks, they refuse to wear them."

She said the people refusing masks were Republicans, especially those that were recently elected.

"Some of the newer Republican members are openly flaunting that they are refusing to wear a mask," she said.



11 January 2021:
Bonnie Watson Coleman Receives Positive Coronavirus Test Following January 6 Capitol Lockdown
Today, Congresswoman Bonnie Watson Coleman (NJ-12) received a positive rapid antigen test result for COVID-19. She believes she was exposed during protective isolation in the U.S. Capitol building as a result of insurrectionist riots. As reported by multiple news outlets, a number of members within the space ignored instructions to wear masks.

“I received a positive test result for COVID-19, and am home resting at this time. While I am experiencing mild, cold-like symptoms, I remain in good spirits and will continue to work on behalf of my constituents.”

Watson Coleman is isolating and awaiting the results of PCR testing; she previously received the first dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID19 vaccine, which has been made available to members of Congress, the Supreme Court, and Executive Branch agencies for the purposes of continuity of government operations.


Coleman is a 75 year old cancer survivor.





https://jayapal.house.gov/2021/01/11/covid-test/
WASHINGTON — United States Representative Pramila Jayapal (WA-07) received a positive COVID-19 test result tonight after being locked down in a secured room at the U.S Capitol where numerous Republican lawmakers recklessly refused to wear masks in the moments after the January 6 attack. Dr. Brian Monahan, the Attending Physician of the United States Congress, advised representatives and Congressional staff on Sunday that those in the secured room could have, “been exposed to another occupant with coronavirus infection.” The duration in the room was multiple hours and several Republicans not only cruelly refused to wear a mask but mocked colleagues and staff who offered them one.

“Too many Republicans have refused to take this pandemic and virus seriously, and in doing so, they endanger everyone around them. Only hours after President Trump incited a deadly assault on our Capitol, our country, and our democracy, many Republicans still refused to take the bare minimum COVID-19 precaution and simply wear a damn mask in a crowded room during a pandemic — creating a superspreader event on top of a domestic terrorist attack,” said Congresswoman Jayapal. “While I am isolating per the Capitol Physician’s instructions, I will continue to work to the best of my ability because the deep urgency of our many crises is paramount. I share the outrage and anger of my constituents and those across this country who have watched Donald Trump fail to combat this raging pandemic and refuse to take care of Americans who are suffering, dying, and devastated. Now, we have also watched him openly fuel and incite these insurrectionists who attacked the Capitol and our democracy on January 6—so I will not rest until I do everything in my power to remove this President from office.”

“I am also calling for serious fines to be immediately levied on every single Member who refuses to wear a mask in the Capitol,” Jayapal continued. “Additionally, any Member who refuses to wear a mask should be immediately removed from the floor by the Sergeant at Arms. This is not a joke. Our lives and our livelihoods are at risk, and anyone who refuses to wear a mask should be fully held accountable for endangering our lives because of their selfish idiocy.”

Jayapal began quarantining immediately after the attack on the U.S. Capitol, fearing and foreseeing exactly what would occur given the number of maskless lawmakers sitting in the same room as her and her colleagues. In an interview with The Cut on Thursday, she said, “I’m quarantining now because I am convinced that where we ended up, in the secured room — where there were over 100 people and many were Republicans not wearing masks — was a superspreader event.”
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Re: Republican Watch

#1634  Postby Hermit » Jan 12, 2021 11:25 am

Thommo wrote:Generously, I think she can claim 3/5.

That is overly generous. In addition to the five inventions Marjorie Taylor Greene lists she also claims credit for "virtually every other incredible invention before social media" on behalf of the American people. This would include the telescope, dynamite, insulin, rockets, disprin, antibiotics, firearms, the printing press, the computer and the wheel among thousands of others.
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Re: Republican Watch

#1635  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 12, 2021 2:32 pm

Giant's shoulders.
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Re: Republican Watch

#1636  Postby Hermit » Jan 12, 2021 2:54 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Giant's shoulders.

That, apparently, was a dig at Robert Hooke. :mrgreen:

At least that is one interpretation of what Newton meant. The two of them were constantly in dispute over who should be credited with what discovery, and Hooke was diminutive in stature. There was no love lost between the two. Newton was also known for his vindictive nature. After Hooke died Newton, who was the Royal Society's president at the time, allegedly destroyed or failed to preserve the only known portrait of Hooke. He was also largely responsible for Hooke falling into obscurity until a couple of historians metaphorically exhumed him late in the 19th century.
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Re: Republican Watch

#1637  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 12, 2021 5:08 pm

Interesting! I knew of their rivalry - what funny beasts we are - but never thought about the origin of this phrase or its motivation.

Apparently, it has quite the pedigree...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_ ... _of_giants

I like this one...

The phrase also appears in the works of the Jewish tosaphist Isaiah di Trani (c. 1180 – c. 1250):[8]

Should Joshua the son of Nun endorse a mistaken position, I would reject it out of hand, I do not hesitate to express my opinion, regarding such matters in accordance with the modicum of intelligence allotted to me. I was never arrogant claiming "My Wisdom served me well". Instead I applied to myself the parable of the philosophers. For I heard the following from the philosophers, The wisest of the philosophers was asked: "We admit that our predecessors were wiser than we. At the same time we criticize their comments, often rejecting them and claiming that the truth rests with us. How is this possible?" The wise philosopher responded: "Who sees further a dwarf or a giant? Surely a giant for his eyes are situated at a higher level than those of the dwarf. But if the dwarf is placed on the shoulders of the giant who sees further? ... So too we are dwarfs astride the shoulders of giants. We master their wisdom and move beyond it. Due to their wisdom we grow wise and are able to say all that we say, but not because we are greater than they.


Of course, it's got a religious connotation, but the idea remains. There's a kind of ironic symmetry to see that the phrase itself originated from someone further back and di Trani himself refers to having heard it from someone before; perhaps the very first ever grammatically cogent sentence spoken by a human was to acknowledge that it couldn't have been done without the speaker's ancestors first having created words. :grin:
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Re: Republican Watch

#1638  Postby Seabass » Jan 12, 2021 7:51 pm

From the conservative Bulwark.com. Can't write this one off as "democrat hypocrisy" or "left bias".


The Alt-Right Is Now the Entire Right

The voices of reason, reality, and responsibility are a cowering minority in the Republican party.



Remember the alt-right? The sludge of white supremacists, misogynists, neo-Nazis, and various chauvinists leaked out of the putrid corners of the internet in the years leading up to Donald Trump’s election. Although their various hatreds, grievances, and conspiracy theories were old, they saw themselves as something new. Their very name placed them in opposition to the status quo. They weren’t the American right, the coalition that included politicians like then-House Speaker Paul Ryan and Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain, as well as the Wall Street Journal editorial board and the intellectuals in the conservative think tanks and magazines. No, they were the blood-and-soil, tiki-torches-and-khakis alternative.

The one new thing about the alt-right, apart from its embrace of internet anonymity as a modern-day successor to the Klan hood, was its leaders. There was Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist proprietor of InfoWars, famous for his concern over gay frogs, and Richard Spencer, a neo-Nazi provocateur known for getting punched. For those who preferred stronger flavors, there was Nick Fuentes, a Holocaust denier and self-described “Campus Conservative,” and Milo Yiannopoulos, who mixed white nationalism with defenses of pedophilia. The chief impresario was Steve Bannon, who made the website he took over, Breitbart, into a “platform for the alt-right.”

That was then. By its own definition, the alt-right is no more. Because it’s no longer an alternative to the right. It is the right.

Most of the Republican party is now more or less where the alt-right was four years ago, at least in embracing conspiracy theories—starting with the most consequential conspiracy theory of the last year: that Trump won the 2020 election but it was stolen from him by some combination of Democratic fraudsters, foreign and domestic socialists, and voting-machine companies, backed up by Big Tech. Courts asked to weigh in on these claims repeatedly slapped them down, and the pro-Trump lawyers who filed them increasingly revealed themselves to be unhinged. But about three-quarters of Republicans believe that President-elect Biden’s victory was illegitimate. And a majority of the Republicans in Congress supported the baseless claims: Two-thirds of the GOP representatives objected to certifying Electoral College votes last Wednesday, and over a quarter of GOP senators did (and/or said they intended to do) the same thing.

And what of the other big conspiracy theories in recent years? Among Republicans who have heard of QAnon, 41 percent say it’s somewhat good or very good for the country. Just 26 percent labeled it “very bad.” A plurality of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents believe that the statement “the coronavirus outbreak was intentionally planned by powerful people” is probably or definitely true. The figure is even higher for self-described “conservatives.”

Of course, belief in conspiracy theories isn’t an isolated metaphysical phenomenon. It brings with it moral and political ramifications. Rare indeed is the conspiracy theorist who believes the world is controlled by a secret, powerful cabal—be it the Jews, the Illuminati, or the lizard people—and decides to stay on its good side. Embedded in the conspiracy theory itself is the need to fight the conspiracy, often violently. No wonder Republicans are so tolerant of violence. According to one poll, more than two-thirds of Republicans said the storming of the Capitol on January 6 was not a threat to democracy. A plurality (45 percent) approved of the insurrection.

Nor are most conspiracy theories (and for that matter, conspiracy theorists) devoid of other ideological stains: The QAnon conspiracy, after all, is based in part on a warmed-over version of the thousand-year-old anti-Semitic blood libel. Some Republicans spent years defending themselves and their co-partisans against accusations of racism, only to have the regime of “they’re not sending us their best,” the Muslim ban, “good people on both sides,” “go back where you came from,” “shithole countries,” family separations, kids in cages, and “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” make racism an integral part of the modern Republican platform. Last week, QAnon apostle and Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert live-tweeted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s location as the U.S. Capitol Police were being overrun; Republican Rep. Mary Miller told a crowd that “Hitler was right about one thing” (she has since apologized); and Trump himself told those engaged in armed insurrection against the U.S. government, “you’re very special.”


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Re: Republican Watch

#1639  Postby The_Piper » Jan 12, 2021 8:13 pm

Seabass wrote:From the conservative Bulwark.com. Can't right this one off as "democrat hypocrisy" or "left bias".


The Alt-Right Is Now the Entire Right

The voices of reason, reality, and responsibility are a cowering minority in the Republican party.



Remember the alt-right? The sludge of white supremacists, misogynists, neo-Nazis, and various chauvinists leaked out of the putrid corners of the internet in the years leading up to Donald Trump’s election. Although their various hatreds, grievances, and conspiracy theories were old, they saw themselves as something new. Their very name placed them in opposition to the status quo. They weren’t the American right, the coalition that included politicians like then-House Speaker Paul Ryan and Sens. Jeff Flake and John McCain, as well as the Wall Street Journal editorial board and the intellectuals in the conservative think tanks and magazines. No, they were the blood-and-soil, tiki-torches-and-khakis alternative.

The one new thing about the alt-right, apart from its embrace of internet anonymity as a modern-day successor to the Klan hood, was its leaders. There was Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist proprietor of InfoWars, famous for his concern over gay frogs, and Richard Spencer, a neo-Nazi provocateur known for getting punched. For those who preferred stronger flavors, there was Nick Fuentes, a Holocaust denier and self-described “Campus Conservative,” and Milo Yiannopoulos, who mixed white nationalism with defenses of pedophilia. The chief impresario was Steve Bannon, who made the website he took over, Breitbart, into a “platform for the alt-right.”

That was then. By its own definition, the alt-right is no more. Because it’s no longer an alternative to the right. It is the right.

Most of the Republican party is now more or less where the alt-right was four years ago, at least in embracing conspiracy theories—starting with the most consequential conspiracy theory of the last year: that Trump won the 2020 election but it was stolen from him by some combination of Democratic fraudsters, foreign and domestic socialists, and voting-machine companies, backed up by Big Tech. Courts asked to weigh in on these claims repeatedly slapped them down, and the pro-Trump lawyers who filed them increasingly revealed themselves to be unhinged. But about three-quarters of Republicans believe that President-elect Biden’s victory was illegitimate. And a majority of the Republicans in Congress supported the baseless claims: Two-thirds of the GOP representatives objected to certifying Electoral College votes last Wednesday, and over a quarter of GOP senators did (and/or said they intended to do) the same thing.

And what of the other big conspiracy theories in recent years? Among Republicans who have heard of QAnon, 41 percent say it’s somewhat good or very good for the country. Just 26 percent labeled it “very bad.” A plurality of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents believe that the statement “the coronavirus outbreak was intentionally planned by powerful people” is probably or definitely true. The figure is even higher for self-described “conservatives.”

Of course, belief in conspiracy theories isn’t an isolated metaphysical phenomenon. It brings with it moral and political ramifications. Rare indeed is the conspiracy theorist who believes the world is controlled by a secret, powerful cabal—be it the Jews, the Illuminati, or the lizard people—and decides to stay on its good side. Embedded in the conspiracy theory itself is the need to fight the conspiracy, often violently. No wonder Republicans are so tolerant of violence. According to one poll, more than two-thirds of Republicans said the storming of the Capitol on January 6 was not a threat to democracy. A plurality (45 percent) approved of the insurrection.

Nor are most conspiracy theories (and for that matter, conspiracy theorists) devoid of other ideological stains: The QAnon conspiracy, after all, is based in part on a warmed-over version of the thousand-year-old anti-Semitic blood libel. Some Republicans spent years defending themselves and their co-partisans against accusations of racism, only to have the regime of “they’re not sending us their best,” the Muslim ban, “good people on both sides,” “go back where you came from,” “shithole countries,” family separations, kids in cages, and “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” make racism an integral part of the modern Republican platform. Last week, QAnon apostle and Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert live-tweeted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s location as the U.S. Capitol Police were being overrun; Republican Rep. Mary Miller told a crowd that “Hitler was right about one thing” (she has since apologized); and Trump himself told those engaged in armed insurrection against the U.S. government, “you’re very special.”


continued: https://thebulwark.com/the-alt-right-is-now-the-entire-right/

She's one of the good ones. Hoping for a "speedy and full recovery." People are so fucking ignorant.
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#1640  Postby Alan C » Jan 13, 2021 9:52 pm

10 GOP members of the House have at least partially regenerated a spine by voting for impeachment?
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