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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#341  Postby Tortured_Genius » Dec 10, 2019 4:55 am

Spinozasgalt wrote:I feel like I'm harping on about this but this from back in August...they just come out and say it now.
“I support Russia because I agree with most of its foreign-policy stands. I want a multi-polar world. Were it not for Russia and Iran, with whom I also stand, then the black flag of ISIS would today be fluttering over Damascus.“

People on the left and the right. "Anti-war" people using the language of "the war on terror" while also calling their opponents neocons and warmongers. Remarkable.


Ah, so George Galloway is still a twat.

That one probably belongs on the "in other news, water is wet" thread TBH.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#342  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 10, 2019 9:15 am

felltoearth wrote:Bizarre innit?

Tortured_Genius wrote:
Spinozasgalt wrote:I feel like I'm harping on about this but this from back in August...they just come out and say it now.
“I support Russia because I agree with most of its foreign-policy stands. I want a multi-polar world. Were it not for Russia and Iran, with whom I also stand, then the black flag of ISIS would today be fluttering over Damascus.“

People on the left and the right. "Anti-war" people using the language of "the war on terror" while also calling their opponents neocons and warmongers. Remarkable.


Ah, so George Galloway is still a twat.

That one probably belongs on the "in other news, water is wet" thread TBH.

I'm glad it's not just me who thinks so. :lol:

Like, I knew he was a piece of shit (he's an RT regular). But this is "In joining Sputnik, I pledge allegiance to Mother Russia" type lunacy.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#343  Postby SafeAsMilk » Dec 10, 2019 12:26 pm

Well we've already had the "I want a multi-polar world!" here, as if that was any sort of reason to support a creepy despot who's bleeding his people dry.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#344  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 10, 2019 10:20 pm

Ahh yeah, the Dugin stuff. Galloway's a Brexiter, too, ain't he? Dugin literally calls for the UK to be cut off from Europe in his Foundations of Geopolitics, so...
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#345  Postby Fallible » Dec 11, 2019 4:54 pm

What a silly sausage...
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#346  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 11, 2019 10:47 pm

A silly, silly sausage. With onions and tomato sauce. On a bread slice. Folded triangularly in half.

Oh, I want a sausage sizzle.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#347  Postby Hermit » Dec 12, 2019 2:55 am

Spinozasgalt wrote:A silly, silly sausage. With onions and tomato sauce. On a bread slice. Folded triangularly in half.

Oh, I want a sausage sizzle.

Australian style, of course. Just remember, it's gotta be onions first!
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#348  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 12, 2019 6:28 am

I like to fry some brioche buns, sprinkle them with uncooked sliced red onion, slice the sausage lengthwise and then in half to lay the pieces across the onion like little wood planks, and then top it with Dijon. And then I eat it with a knife and fork. And I do all of this in front of Aussie tradies with Southern Cross tattoos on their backs. Just to fuck with 'em.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#349  Postby Hermit » Dec 12, 2019 7:46 am

Spinozasgalt wrote:I like to fry some brioche buns, sprinkle them with uncooked sliced red onion, slice the sausage lengthwise and then in half to lay the pieces across the onion like little wood planks, and then top it with Dijon. And then I eat it with a knife and fork. And I do all of this in front of Aussie tradies with Southern Cross tattoos on their backs. Just to fuck with 'em.

That would go down well with a glass of Henschke's 2013 vintage Cabernet Sauvignon from the Barossa region's Eden Valley. Don't forget to tuck in your serviette first, though.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#350  Postby Fallible » Dec 12, 2019 9:30 am

Hotdog out of a jar, white bun, fried onions, Dijon and tomato sauce. Bosh.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#351  Postby Spinozasgalt » Dec 12, 2019 10:07 am

Maybe I should start a sausage sizzle thread.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#352  Postby Svartalf » Dec 12, 2019 11:18 am

lol, a giggle of school girls, a murder of ravens, a sizzle of sausages.
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#353  Postby Cito di Pense » Dec 12, 2019 12:02 pm

Svartalf wrote:a sizzle of sausages.


Can you supply a link to that?
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#354  Postby newolder » Dec 12, 2019 12:11 pm

... or another offal joke?
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#355  Postby Tortured_Genius » Jan 02, 2020 5:09 am

Meanwhile Russian revisionism continues apace as Putin demands the rest of the world accept his rewriting of history.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50955273
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#356  Postby tuco » Jan 02, 2020 7:43 am

Well, as long as he does not demand with the red army, I will just lol.

I wonder why what he says, on the matter at hand, ought to be taken so seriously as it seems. History was written already and all we, and anyone else after us, are left with are interpretations. His interpretation cannot, in my mind, influence much in reality. Because if it can, I would like to see how. I dunno how many millions of Russians will think that Stalin was cool and had no dealings in starting WW2? Why is that important? Because of .. the truth?

Anyway, the article mentions the Munich Agreement. How far is he from the truth when he says:

He argued that the Western powers and Poland had appeased Hitler's aggression by letting him grab Czechoslovakia in 1938.


President Putin argued that Stalin had tried to forge an anti-Hitler alliance with Britain, France and Poland, but that the Munich Agreement in 1938 - dooming Czechoslovakia - had scuppered that plan. Stalin then had to reach a deal with Hitler, feeling betrayed by the West, he argued.


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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#357  Postby Spinozasgalt » Feb 07, 2020 11:03 pm

Inquiry strikes blow to Russian denials of Syria chemical attack
UN watchdog’s investigation rebuts claims it manipulated evidence of Douma incident


A Russia-led campaign that claimed the UN weapons watchdog had manipulated evidence of a Syrian government chemical weapons attack has been dealt a blow by an official inquiry showing that two former employees hailed as whistleblowers had little direct access to the evidence and inflated their role.

The independent inquiry commissioned by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) shows that one of the two had never been on the team investigating the April 2018 attack in Douma and the other was only on the team for a brief period.

Both individuals, referred to in the report as Inspector A and B, may face legal action.

More than 40 people were killed on 7 April 2018 in the town of Douma on the outskirts of Damascus. The town was at the time held by rebels but besieged by pro-government forces. Civilians claimed they were the victims of a chemical weapon attack.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... cal-attack
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Re: Russian and US ambitions and motivations

#358  Postby Hermit » Feb 08, 2020 4:56 am

tuco wrote:History was written already and all we, and anyone else after us, are left with are interpretations. His interpretation cannot, in my mind, influence much in reality.

That is total crap. "History is written by the winners" (Napoleon Bonaparte), so we don't get "what really happened" in the first place. Then it keeps getting rewritten to consolidate the position of whoever is in power at the time. "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past" (George Orwell). Putin is now doing exactly whatever any powerful individual or organisation has always done.

As for the ambassador's tweet, she is sort of correct. Both Hitler and Stalin knew perfectly well that sooner rather than later they'll come to blows with each other. They've had a desperate arms race because of it already. The war between them was not a matter of if. It was a matter of when. The only uncertainty was who was going to feel ready to shoot first. Hitler did not abandon Operation Sea Lion because he lost the Battle of Britain. Losing a battle is not the same as losing a campaign, let alone an entire war. He opened up the eastern front because he panicked. His fear was that he might attack too late. Too late because the USSR was ramping up its armaments production at an alarming rate. Delaying much longer could well mean no longer being able to overpower the USSR.

That's why the non-aggression pact was a charade from the outset. Hitler knew it. Stalin knew it. Everybody with two brain cells to rub together knew it. This cartoon by David Low was published in the Evening Standard newspaper on 21 October 1939, barely a month after Molotov and Ribbentrop signed the pact and a year and 8 months before Operation Barbarossa began.

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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#359  Postby Thommo » Apr 04, 2020 3:00 pm

Mike_L wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
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Regina wrote:You do not need to generate traffic for the shysters at rt to get that piece of information.

You're right. I don't have to. But if I first came upon it at RT.com (a news source for which I'm happy to generate traffic) then I see no reason to go searching for it elsewhere.


The point is, nobody else does, either. If you want to make yourself look like a spammer, keep at it. Until you can't.

So linking to an on-topic news article is 'spamming' if you happen not to like the platform?
And who is "nobody else"? You speak for all of Ratskep, do you?
You can address the topic (US steals medical equipment from trans-Atlantic ally)... or not address it. Or you can try for a thread derail (again). And you went for that last one. Good for you!
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Spamming is doing the same thing repetitively, you surely cannot be suggesting this pattern only persists in that one link or one thread.

For the record the topic is "The New And Coming Plague" (whatever that means) and your own post used this as its own subject line, as I'm sure you're pefectly well aware. The question raised in respect of that post is whether this direction of plugging Russian propaganda from more than dubious sources happens often enough to be called "spamming".
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#360  Postby Mike_L » Apr 04, 2020 3:27 pm

Thommo wrote:
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Mike_L wrote:
You're right. I don't have to. But if I first came upon it at RT.com (a news source for which I'm happy to generate traffic) then I see no reason to go searching for it elsewhere.


The point is, nobody else does, either. If you want to make yourself look like a spammer, keep at it. Until you can't.

So linking to an on-topic news article is 'spamming' if you happen not to like the platform?
And who is "nobody else"? You speak for all of Ratskep, do you?
You can address the topic (US steals medical equipment from trans-Atlantic ally)... or not address it. Or you can try for a thread derail (again). And you went for that last one. Good for you!
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Spamming is doing the same thing repetitively, you surely cannot be suggesting this pattern only persists in that one link or one thread.

For the record the topic is "The New And Coming Plague" (whatever that means) and your own post used this as its own subject line, as I'm sure you're pefectly well aware.

Yes, it could've been posted in the 'Trump COVID-19' thread or the even the 'Masks' thread (since it was masks that were swiped)... where it would doubtlessly have gotten the same sort of response... because "RT bad" and all that.

The question raised in respect of that post is whether this direction of plugging Russian propaganda from more than dubious sources happens often enough to be called "spamming".

I suppose I could've posted a link to the Guardian article or to a BBC one, but I didn't feel like plugging UK propaganda.
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