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"Scientist" in US Congress: "Evolution from pit of hell"

#1  Postby Blood » Oct 06, 2012 6:04 pm

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012 ... -hell?lite


U.S. Rep. Paul Broun's view that the theories of evolution and the big bang are "lies straight from the pit of Hell" is getting more exposure than he might have expected, thanks to a video that was made at a church-sponsored banquet in Georgia and distributed by a progressive political watchdog group.

The Georgia Republican is already well-known as an outspoken conservative Christian, due in part to his unsuccessful campaign to have 2010 declared "the Year of the Bible." But the latest comments have taken on an extra dab of controversy because Broun, a medical doctor, calls himself a scientist in the video and chairs the House Science Committee's panel on investigations and oversight.
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#2  Postby Blood » Oct 06, 2012 6:09 pm

http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012 ... -hell?lite


U.S. Rep. Paul Broun's view that the theories of evolution and the big bang are "lies straight from the pit of Hell" is getting more exposure than he might have expected, thanks to a video that was made at a church-sponsored banquet in Georgia and distributed by a progressive political watchdog group.

The Georgia Republican is already well-known as an outspoken conservative Christian, due in part to his unsuccessful campaign to have 2010 declared "the Year of the Bible." But the latest comments have taken on an extra dab of controversy because Broun, a medical doctor, calls himself a scientist in the video and chairs the House Science Committee's panel on investigations and oversight.
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#3  Postby Blood » Oct 06, 2012 6:12 pm

If this is how he really feels, how come there's nothing about it on his website?

Turns out this dude has a B.S. in chemistry. So I guess he thinks we should just throw out everything known about chemistry and substitute the classic "goddidit!" theory.

http://broun.house.gov/

Rep. Paul Collins Broun, Jr. M.D.
Representative Paul C. Broun, Jr. was elected in July of 2007 to serve the Tenth District of Georgia. Since his arrival in Congress, he has been appointed to the House Homeland Security Committee, the House Committee on Natural Resources, and currently serves as Chairman of the Investigations and Oversight Subcommittee for the House Science, Space, and Technology Committee. Dr. Broun grew up in Athens, Georgia where he attended Athens High School and graduated from the University of Georgia in 1967 with a B.S. in Chemistry. In 1971, he received his Medical Doctor degree from the Medical College of Georgia in Augusta. An internship at Good Samaritan Hospital in Portland, Oregon and a residency at University Hospital in Birmingham, Alabama followed.
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#4  Postby Ironclad » Oct 06, 2012 8:04 pm

This man would never hold office in Europe.
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#5  Postby chairman bill » Oct 06, 2012 8:33 pm

Ironclad wrote:This man would never hold office in Europe.

Quite. Though Saudi Arabia might suit him quite well, albeit a different brand of supernaturalist mumbo-jumbo bollocks
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#6  Postby bert » Oct 06, 2012 9:14 pm

Blood wrote:But the latest comments have taken on an extra dab of controversy because Broun, a medical doctor, calls himself a scientist in the video and chairs the House Science Committee's panel on investigations and oversight.


Wow. After - I can only assume - having to close his practice down because he successfully cured all his patients by praying, he's the first scientist with evidence for the existence of hell. Quite a carreer. With such qualifications, quite an oversight that they wasted his qualities on that panel.

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#7  Postby Horwood Beer-Master » Oct 06, 2012 9:44 pm

I wouldn't describe a medical doctor as a "scientist" per se.
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#8  Postby Calilasseia » Oct 06, 2012 10:13 pm

If this man is a "scientist", then I'm Secretary General of the United Nations.
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#9  Postby mortuus piscis » Oct 06, 2012 11:52 pm

Horwood Beer-Master wrote:I wouldn't describe a medical doctor as a "scientist" per se.


It didn't stop republicans from placing him on the House Science Committee :confused:
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#10  Postby mortuus piscis » Oct 07, 2012 12:01 am

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#11  Postby Shrunk » Oct 07, 2012 12:06 am

mortuus piscis wrote:
Horwood Beer-Master wrote:I wouldn't describe a medical doctor as a "scientist" per se.


It didn't stop republicans from placing him on the House Science Committee :confused:


More very troubling information on that front, courtesy of Chris Rodda:

What nobody seems to have noticed is that Akin, Broun, Neugebauer, and all the other members of Congress spewing these idiotic faith-based “science” theories have something else in common besides being ignorant twits. They all belong to Congressman Randy Forbes’s Congressional Prayer Caucus. These are the wingnuts who do things like holding prayer vigils to pray that votes on legislation go their way....

Eleven members of the Science Committee are also members of Randy Forbes’s Prayer Caucus. This is disturbing since we’re talking about people who reject science being on a Science Committee, but the number is not out of proportion. Nearly a quarter of the members of our House of Representatives now belong to the Prayer Caucus (OK, that’s disturbing enough in itself), but the House Science Committee has forty members, making eleven Prayer Caucus members about a quarter of that committee.

But then I looked at the subcommittees of the Science Committee, and that’s where things get really disturbing. Five of the twelve members of the Subcommittee on Research and Science Education are Prayer Caucus members. This is the subcommittee that has “legislative jurisdiction and general oversight and investigative authority on all matters relating to science policy and science education.” It also has jurisdiction over research and development relating to health and biomedical programs. So, what we’ve got here is a subcommittee with jurisdiction over the very issues and programs where religious beliefs are most likely to clash with science being disproportionately packed with the people most likely to go with religion over science.

The biggest disproportion of all? Of the 105 members of the Congressional Prayer Caucus, only four are Democrats (3.8%), but two of the four Democrats (50%) on the Subcommittee on Research and Science Education are Prayer Caucus members.


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#12  Postby Blood » Oct 07, 2012 12:40 am

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

We Americans have only ourselves to blame. Refusing to participate in politics breeds disasters like this.
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#13  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Oct 07, 2012 2:42 am

Politician lies about what he really thinks, possibly to everyone to ensure he gets more votes...film at 10.
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#14  Postby bert » Oct 07, 2012 12:55 pm

Shrunk wrote:More very troubling information on that front, courtesy of Chris Rodda:

What nobody seems to have noticed is that Akin, Broun, Neugebauer, and all the other members of Congress spewing these idiotic faith-based “science” theories have something else in common besides being ignorant twits. They all belong to Congressman Randy Forbes’s Congressional Prayer Caucus. These are the wingnuts who do things like holding prayer vigils to pray that votes on legislation go their way....


I think that's not bad, it is very good. I'd prefer them to stay indoors and pray 24/7, over listening to lobbyists and over spreading disinformation.

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#15  Postby GenesForLife » Oct 07, 2012 1:33 pm

If he's a scientist, that makes me a Provost.

Possibly OT, but this is relevant to politics and science.

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Paul Broun and the pit of hell

#16  Postby DavidMcC » Oct 07, 2012 3:27 pm

... On the House Science Committee?
Republican congressman Paul Broun dismisses evolution and other theories
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Broun also says that theories regarding the origins of the universe and evolution represent "lies to try and keep me and all the folk that were taught that from understanding that they need a saviour".

In a statement to the Athens Banner-Herald, Meredith Griffanti, a spokeswoman for the Republican congressman, said: "Dr Broun was speaking off the record to a large church group about his personal beliefs regarding religious issues."

But the comments may prove an embarrassment to some of his colleagues on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

Embarrassment? With bells on, you would think!

EDIT: Oops! I didn't notice there was already a thread on Broun. Sorry. :oops:
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#17  Postby Simon_Gardner » Oct 07, 2012 4:12 pm

Blood wrote:Turns out this dude has a B.S. in chemistry.

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#18  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Oct 07, 2012 4:27 pm

Blood wrote:http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/05/14203607-video-shows-scientist-in-congress-saying-evolution-is-from-pit-of-hell?lite


U.S. Rep. Paul Broun's view that the theories of evolution and the big bang are "lies straight from the pit of Hell" is getting more exposure than he might have expected, thanks to a video that was made at a church-sponsored banquet in Georgia and distributed by a progressive political watchdog group.

The Georgia Republican is already well-known as an outspoken conservative Christian, due in part to his unsuccessful campaign to have 2010 declared "the Year of the Bible." But the latest comments have taken on an extra dab of controversy because Broun, a medical doctor, calls himself a scientist in the video and chairs the House Science Committee's panel on investigations and oversight.

This dope is an embarrassment to all right thinking Americans. As some have already noted, if he's a scientist, we're all little green men from Mars, or provosts, or what have you.

The US House has been badly infected by dopes like this and if they remain America will pay a heavy price for it, and even though right wing extremism in the House has given that body a very bad name nationally, some will likely remain, while others will probably find themselves out of a job after November 6th.

These people are part and parcel of America's radical shift to the extreme right, which began some 30 years ago and peaked in 2010 when Tea Party Republicans managed to get 60-odd members elected to the House. Whether they'll remain is an open question at this stage but the upcoming election, now less than a month away, will tell the tale. Hopefully, their numbers will diminish but there are no guarantees and who knows, we may even get more of them.

The shift in American politics to the extreme Bible-driven right spells doom for the country if it isn't corrected soon. This is abundantly clear to thinking Americans, who see the handwriting on the wall. The logical extension of it is a fascist theocracy of the most whacked out kind one could possibly imagine. If the shift toward right wing extremism persists and grows it could lead to civil war, because the majority of Americans do not want these kinds of creeps and their whacked out ideas to have any force or play in their government and they'll only tolerate so much of it before they take up arms against it.

And should civil war erupt, that itself would be the end of America as we've known it, the economy would collapse in a heap, $trillions would leave the country, and the country would devolve into a gargantuan mess of mayhem at every turn.

America is approaching a critical point in its history. It's either going to quell this religious uprising it's presently suffering in its politics or it's going to go down behind the ignorance that uprising brings to the table. One or the other, there's no in between, there's no compromise, there's no deal that could be struck and no accommodation that can be made.

It's a story that will define the times, a struggle that will characterize the future for some time to come.

And it will be hugely complicated by a progressively worse climate that will descend, or is in fact descending, upon the country, a climate situation that will unleash a host of issues that are crucial to the nation's survival as a stable civilized State.

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#19  Postby Animavore » Oct 07, 2012 4:29 pm

Is it really that bad? :eh:
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#20  Postby FACT-MAN-2 » Oct 07, 2012 4:58 pm

Animavore wrote:Is it really that bad? :eh:

To determine this, all you need to do is take a look at the legislation the House has passed over the past two years, that is, after the Republicans took majority control of the House in the 2010 midterm elections.
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