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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#301  Postby felltoearth » Sep 14, 2018 1:06 pm

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PensivePenny wrote:By your logic, I should likewise try to find evidence of god because you can't find any there either.


By your logic there is no such thing as discrimination of any sort because we can't read minds and observing statistical differences in treatment of people by race or gender is something you seem to rate as worthless opinion.

Your hypothetical employment scenario was pointless given your attitude. Still, it does highlight the absurdity of your position.


So we have an aetist that has been accused of racism before, who mischaracterised Williams opponent as a petite, blond white woman and Williams, who doesn't have huge lips, gets drawn with them.

It's not conclusively racist of course but it certainly raises questions which is why you would look into the artists history for more examples.

Going by the picture, as I previously stated you just need to draw a person, colour them black and give them all big lips apparently because why? Does he lack the artistic skill to do any better? But I suppose it works as a template for a generic black person, right?


Well, you wouldn’t want to confuse her with other black people in tennis.... oh wait.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#302  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 14, 2018 1:08 pm

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BWE wrote:Well, this thread went downhill.


LOL... I think I see some form of that statement in every thread immediately following every pile-on by the kiddie-clique.

I wonder what the common denominator is? :think:

:cheers:

You doing the kiddie-clique pile-on, it seems. Oh no wait, when you do it, it's the adult-clique pile-on :rofl: So, when does the adult-clique grow out of dismissing arguments because they're offended by the number of people they perceive as agreeing with it? Looks a lot more like teenage reactionary to me.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#303  Postby Mike_L » Sep 14, 2018 1:12 pm

Teague wrote:Going by the picture, as I previously stated you just need to draw a person, colour them black and give them all big lips apparently because why? Does he lack the artistic skill to do any better? But I suppose it works as a template for a generic black person, right?

No, Georges Remi (Hergé) did that with Tintin in the Congo (1931)...

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The book is restricted in some countries (not displayed on bookshelves) and outright banned in others...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_in_the_Congo#Criticism

But Mark Knight's cartoon is nothing like those drawings. He has captured Serena's essential features and drawn her as she was on the day (angry and loud). Insensitive it may be, but it is nothing like the "coon caricatures" or "Sambo cartoons" to which it is being likened.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#304  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 14, 2018 1:14 pm

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Please, tell me how it's not possible to determine a drawing is racist unless the artist says so, but somehow it is possible to determine that anything else is racist unless the person doing the potentially racist thing says so :popcorn:


Because only one of those two is in a position to know INTENT.

Well that was an underwhelming non-answer. It still looks like you're saying it's NOT possible to determine anything is racist unless the person doing the thing says so. I'm sure the folks whose only joy is triggering the libs will wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#305  Postby Teague » Sep 14, 2018 1:14 pm

felltoearth wrote:
Teague wrote:
GrahamH wrote:
PensivePenny wrote:By your logic, I should likewise try to find evidence of god because you can't find any there either.


By your logic there is no such thing as discrimination of any sort because we can't read minds and observing statistical differences in treatment of people by race or gender is something you seem to rate as worthless opinion.

Your hypothetical employment scenario was pointless given your attitude. Still, it does highlight the absurdity of your position.


So we have an aetist that has been accused of racism before, who mischaracterised Williams opponent as a petite, blond white woman and Williams, who doesn't have huge lips, gets drawn with them.

It's not conclusively racist of course but it certainly raises questions which is why you would look into the artists history for more examples.

Going by the picture, as I previously stated you just need to draw a person, colour them black and give them all big lips apparently because why? Does he lack the artistic skill to do any better? But I suppose it works as a template for a generic black person, right?


Well, you wouldn’t want to confuse her with other black people in tennis.... oh wait.


I suppose we'd need to see other pictures of other races like asian people with huge slit eyes or jewish people all drawn with massive noses right?
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#306  Postby Teague » Sep 14, 2018 1:15 pm

Mike_L wrote:
Teague wrote:Going by the picture, as I previously stated you just need to draw a person, colour them black and give them all big lips apparently because why? Does he lack the artistic skill to do any better? But I suppose it works as a template for a generic black person, right?

No, Georges Remi (Hergé) did that with Tintin in the Congo (1931)...

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The book is restricted in some countries (not displayed on bookshelves) and outright banned in others...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_in_the_Congo#Criticism

But Mark Knight's cartoon is nothing like those drawings. He has captured Serena's essential features and drawn her as she was on the day (angry and loud). Insensitive it may be, but it is nothing like the "coon caricatures" or "Sambo cartoons" to which it is being likened.


Her essential features in the msasive lips she doesn't have?
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#307  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 14, 2018 1:18 pm

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But Mark Knight's cartoon is nothing like those drawings. He has captured Serena's essential features

He's as inept at caricature as you are at apologetics.

Knight could post a picture of a donut with a broken tennis racket, and you'd say it was a dead ringer. Cuz context! Not very impressive, but at least it tells everyone about intent.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#308  Postby SafeAsMilk » Sep 14, 2018 1:19 pm

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Her essential features in the msasive lips she doesn't have?

And the football shaped head that she doesn't have?
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#309  Postby Mike_L » Sep 14, 2018 1:20 pm

That's all already been discussed on earlier pages.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#310  Postby Teague » Sep 14, 2018 1:22 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:
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Her essential features in the msasive lips she doesn't have?

And the football shaped head that she doesn't have?


One at a time, you'll confuse them!
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#311  Postby Teague » Sep 14, 2018 1:22 pm

Mike_L wrote:That's all already been discussed on earlier pages.


LMAO that's your answer?
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#312  Postby felltoearth » Sep 14, 2018 1:24 pm

Mike_L wrote:That's all already been discussed swept aside on earlier pages.


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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#313  Postby felltoearth » Sep 14, 2018 1:28 pm

Yes, that cartoon does not draw on racial stereotypes whatsoever.

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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#314  Postby Teague » Sep 14, 2018 1:29 pm

This about sums it up. Serena is hulking with the exaggerated features of black carricature that we’ve been seeing for 100 years. Her “victims,” light, slender, human. Got it. https://twitter.com/Knightcartoons/stat ... 9030393856


https://twitter.com/nhannahjones/status ... cartoon%2F
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#315  Postby Cito di Pense » Sep 14, 2018 1:32 pm

SafeAsMilk wrote:
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Her essential features in the msasive lips she doesn't have?

And the football shaped head that she doesn't have?


Me, I try to look at the whole person, and not just at the football-shaped head. But here's the thing, SAM: There's people of all phenotypes who, if you cut off all their hair, have, guess what? football shaped heads, such as pointy-headed intellectuals. In a caricature, this might be exaggerated, but you get the picture.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#316  Postby Mike_L » Sep 14, 2018 1:33 pm

felltoearth wrote:Yes, that cartoon does not drawing on racial stereotypes whatsoever.

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It's not remotely close to that. So, no, it doesn't.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#317  Postby felltoearth » Sep 14, 2018 1:36 pm

The so called caricature gives Serena a wide jaw and a narrow forehead. Her face shape is exactly the opposite.

If that’s a caricature then my bank account is a hedge fund.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#318  Postby GrahamH » Sep 14, 2018 1:37 pm

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Her essential features in the msasive lips she doesn't have?



Also a wierd pose and jumping up and down. What's that about? A reference to an angry ape?


All together we have racists tropes, dehumanising depiction and whitewashing the others in the scene. It all looks very "bad racism" to me.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#319  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Sep 14, 2018 1:40 pm

Nice to see we've still got a healthy population of dismissive racists here.
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Re: Serena Williams accuses referee of sexism

#320  Postby Teague » Sep 14, 2018 1:40 pm

felltoearth wrote:The so called caricature gives Serena a wide jaw and a narrow forehead. Her face shape is exactly the opposite.

If that’s a caricature then my bank account is a hedge fund.


Which is why I posted actual caricatures a few pages back that some people didn't get.
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