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Re: SNP Watch

#1581  Postby zerne » Sep 22, 2019 9:18 pm

mrjonno wrote:The problem for Scottish Labour is Scotland does not need 2 independence parties. (Almost certainly the SNP would split after independence).


We have two. The Scottish Green Party and the SNP. I agree a political landscape would shift under a independent legislature. I could forsee the Conservative & Unioinists persisting (our very own Brexit Party) but Scottish Labour's position on EUref2 (for) and Indyref2 (against) is not credible, they call the indy ref divisive. No shit.

mrjonno wrote:However, Westminster is still a 2 party system so you have 1 independence party and one union party (there simply isn't room for the Tories, Lib Dem's and Labour to take that party)


All three, and let's not forget the NI unionists too, are bound by their desire for the UK to continue. Yet their actions in dismissing the Scottish Parliaments own political mandate, granted by an enthusiastic electorate, cuts against any notion of unity. You can't maintain unity when you ignore what the respective electorates of the UK in NI (overwhelming public support for backstop) and Scotland (overwhleming support to stay aligned with EU) say.
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Re: SNP Watch

#1582  Postby mrjonno » Sep 23, 2019 7:06 am

Referring to Scotland's 2 party system, the Green party are not a serious player in Westminster .

Labour are a unionist party, if they were to campaign for independence they lose any purpose in existing
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#1583  Postby OlivierK » Sep 23, 2019 7:22 am

Besides, you know, being the party representing the interests of workers over the interests of capital.
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Re: SNP Watch

#1584  Postby zerne » Sep 23, 2019 11:38 am

mrjonno wrote:Referring to Scotland's 2 party system, the Green party are not a serious player in Westminster .


Can you clarify this a bit more please because i'm not clear what you're referring to here as "Scotland's 2 party system". It doesn't make sense in terms of the makeup of elections to Holyrood, nor for the Scottish Westminster MPs or the MEPs. The best i could figure is that you were referring to coalition between the SNP and Scottish Green Party that allows for the Scottish Government to legislate.

Whatever your opinion of Caroline Lucas, i don't think anyone has ever said she is not serious. The Scottish Green Party is also a separate entity from the Green Party in Westminster so doesn't act as a branch office. It's not like the situation with the Lib Dems, Labour, Conservatives or Brexit Party.

mrjonno wrote:Labour are a unionist party, if they were to campaign for independence they lose any purpose in existing
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Re: SNP Watch

#1585  Postby mrjonno » Sep 23, 2019 12:38 pm

Talking about the Westminster FPTP system, which basically means a 2 party system.

While we are a single country that is the one that really matters not the Scottish or European parliaments which are side shows

Most seats (which aren't safe) are 2 way marginals, vote for a 3rd party and you will almost certainly be helping the party most opposed to your views.

The next government will be Labour or the Conservatives, it won't be Green, it won't be the Lib Dem's, it won't be the SNP.
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Re: SNP Watch

#1586  Postby ronmcd » Oct 13, 2019 6:19 pm

SNP formally backs decriminalisation of drugs
The SNP has backed decriminalising the possession and consumption of drugs.

At its conference in Aberdeen, a resolution was unanimously passed by delegates branding current drug control legislation "not fit for purpose".

And they called for powers to be devolved to Holyrood to enable the "decriminalisation of possession and consumption of controlled drugs".

The Scottish government has set up a taskforce to tackle drug deaths, which hit a record high in 2018.
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Re: SNP Watch

#1587  Postby ronmcd » Feb 06, 2020 10:09 am

LOL. What a time to be alive. Brexit, Boris in government, and the SNP imploding at the most crucial time. Salmond trial starts soon ...

Don't be looking for a tartan lifeboat north of the brexit border folks, this ship is sinking with you.

Full statement from Derek Mackay just a few hours before he was due to deliver Scottish Government budget

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/stat ... 6371170304

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Re: SNP Watch

#1588  Postby Ironclad » Feb 10, 2020 8:34 pm

For Van Youngman - see you amongst the stardust, old buddy

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Re: SNP Watch

#1590  Postby zerne » Mar 07, 2020 10:34 pm

The parties are basically treading water up here until 2021. Then we get to see what the Scottish electorate think of Brexit and the SNP; i expect the SNP and Greens will maintain their popularity, very likely to increase it. The other parties are in some disarray.
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Re: SNP Watch

#1593  Postby ronmcd » Mar 23, 2020 5:27 pm

From Andrew Neil:
Alex Salmond has a lot of evidence he wanted to introduce into court but was not allowed to. At some stage he will now release it.


Alex Salmond’s acquittal over sexual assault charges paves the way for an SNP civil war
As Salmond left the court, victoriously bumping elbows with his QC Gordon Jackson, it was said he intends to resume his political career by returning to the Holyrood backbenches at next year’s devolved election. The idea of him sitting behind Sturgeon in the chamber is almost unthinkably toxic after all that has passed. Can the First Minister survive this? What should voters make of a governing party that is so publicly and traumatically split?

In the meantime, Sturgeon cannot afford to be distracted from dealing with coronavirus, and neither can the country afford her to be. This crisis requires all her attention, long hours and total focus. But she knows now that there is another enemy on the horizon – her former mentor and friend – and that there will, one way or another, be a significant price to pay.


A mess. Salmond and his supporters claiming attempted stitch-up by Sturgeon and her inner circle, and if we assume that's untrue (it seems unlikely) then as Andrew Neil points out on twitter, why on earth did the Procurator Fiscal bring the case without enough evidence likely to convict?
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Re: SNP Watch

#1594  Postby chairman bill » Mar 23, 2020 5:37 pm

Salmond will have to return to his swamp and self-isolate with his donkey friend
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Re: SNP Watch

#1595  Postby Thommo » Mar 23, 2020 11:02 pm

In a way I'm not surprised he was acquitted, I spent about an hour this morning reading this very detailed article in the Daily Record:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot ... r-21658221

And his defence certainly seemed quite strong.

Given all the problems there have been with overzealous prosecutions for rape, withholding of evidence and so on in England and Wales in the last year or two I wouldn't necessarily read political motive too far into this case. Rape charges have come to court on thinner, and if it was always obvious whether someone was guilty or innocent without trial we wouldn't need trials in the first place.

Anyway, my own two cents from that little info I have is that not guilty sounds right, but Salmond behaved like a grubby sleazeball who bullied women to a degree short of criminality. I wouldn't want him around me in the workplace, which I suppose gives the SNP a real headache.
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Re: SNP Watch

#1596  Postby Ironclad » Mar 23, 2020 11:06 pm

Harvey might want to meet his QC.
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Re: SNP Watch

#1598  Postby Tracer Tong » Mar 24, 2020 8:51 pm

ronmcd wrote:From Andrew Neil:

A mess. Salmond and his supporters claiming attempted stitch-up by Sturgeon and her inner circle, and if we assume that's untrue (it seems unlikely) then as Andrew Neil points out on twitter, why on earth did the Procurator Fiscal bring the case without enough evidence likely to convict?


In their view, there was. And that's not necessarily mistaken.
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Re: SNP Watch

#1599  Postby zerne » Mar 25, 2020 5:05 pm

ronmcd wrote:From Andrew Neil:
Alex Salmond has a lot of evidence he wanted to introduce into court but was not allowed to. At some stage he will now release it.


Alex Salmond’s acquittal over sexual assault charges paves the way for an SNP civil war
As Salmond left the court, victoriously bumping elbows with his QC Gordon Jackson, it was said he intends to resume his political career by returning to the Holyrood backbenches at next year’s devolved election. The idea of him sitting behind Sturgeon in the chamber is almost unthinkably toxic after all that has passed. Can the First Minister survive this? What should voters make of a governing party that is so publicly and traumatically split?

In the meantime, Sturgeon cannot afford to be distracted from dealing with coronavirus, and neither can the country afford her to be. This crisis requires all her attention, long hours and total focus. But she knows now that there is another enemy on the horizon – her former mentor and friend – and that there will, one way or another, be a significant price to pay.



A mess. Salmond and his supporters claiming attempted stitch-up by Sturgeon and her inner circle, and if we assume that's untrue (it seems unlikely) then as Andrew Neil points out on twitter, why on earth did the Procurator Fiscal bring the case without enough evidence likely to convict?



That New Statesman piece is a bit overblown since there's no real split in the party along ideological lines and Salmond is hardly a contender for either party leader or First Minister, having done both. I expect he'll write another book an hope no-one looks too closely at the 1 not proven verdict that was returned.

Both pieces appears to be written more in hope of some rift akin to the Labour and Conservative rifts over the EU, but that is virtually non-existent within the SNP and in the Scottish political landscape both Labour and Conservative will struggle because of Brexit. The elections in 2021 will be a key indicator of where we're headed.
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