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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#181  Postby OlivierK » Dec 17, 2014 10:47 am

Teague wrote:
OlivierK wrote:A couple of links:

For epepke: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne ... dney-siege Not a great , in that it doesn't actually answer the question in the headline, but relevant.

For ED209: Apparently not: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne ... an-licence


From the second link

Abbott promised the Australian people “I will not rest until I am confident you are as safe as you can be.” He also revealed he had spoken to US president Barack Obama after the siege, with the US promising to assist the Australian investigation.


That sounds a bit weird to me.

Abbott's a weird guy.

Domestically, his polling is disastrous. His government is incompetent, and is coming apart at the seams. But like many conservatives, he gets a poll boost from "being strong on national security". Hence the desire to paint this as a national security issue. It's tawdry, but it's his stock in trade.
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#182  Postby trogs » Dec 17, 2014 11:14 am

Weaver wrote:Simply tragic. Mr. Johnson truly acted heroically.
This.

Rational acts like Mr. Johnson's are the hard antidote to cynicism.
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#183  Postby Made of Stars » Dec 17, 2014 11:34 am

Parker, who has covered major news stories around the world for the network, looks back now and remembers one of his producers walking back into the studio at that time, a "Lindt hot chocolate in hand".

Soon that name - Lindt - would consume his every thought and movement. For the next 16 hours, he and a police sniper did their best to monitor the movements of gunman Man Haron Monis, who was holding 17 hostages inside the popular Lindt Chocolat Cafe located directly opposite the Channel Seven building...

... When a single gunshot rang out just after 2am on Tuesday, police quickly sprang into action, he said.

"We heard a shot, he [the sniper] confirmed 'Hostage down, window two'. Six seconds later, we saw the special forces guys breach. It was ... pretty loud, pretty frightening, it's like nothing I've ever seen before, ever.

"The moment he [Monis] crossed the line, of taking down a hostage, it was a forced action from police. They, in my mind, and probably in anyone else's seeing it, I don't think they were going to sit around and wait for another hostage to have the same fate."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/sydney-siege- ... 28nm6.html
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#184  Postby Greyman » Dec 17, 2014 1:14 pm

Teague wrote:From the second link

Abbott promised the Australian people “I will not rest until I am confident you are as safe as you can be.” He also revealed he had spoken to US president Barack Obama after the siege, with the US promising to assist the Australian investigation.

That sounds a bit weird to me.

Well, I guess it is a bit. Our media and pollies like to play up how heavily involved Australia is in world events and how interested our allies are in Australia's domestic events. This can at times come across as either arrogant or insecure.
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#185  Postby Teague » Dec 17, 2014 1:36 pm

Well take what was said with the political pinch of salt.

What new laws are going to come in to "make you as safe as you can be" - sounds big brother to me - oh wait, doh, they're talking about new surveillance methods on civilians - presumably that's a coincidence as well, right?

The US assisting? Oh really, in what capacity?

Nice to have a terror-kidnapping to bolster support for it.
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#186  Postby Weaver » Dec 17, 2014 1:57 pm

The US can assist with forensic police expertise unmatched in the rest of the world. The FBI really is world-class at investigating things like this - from the analysis of the gunman and his motivations to the analysis of the siege and the final resolution - determine lessons learned and lead to improvements.
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#187  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 17, 2014 3:09 pm

I see it works well in America. :whistle:
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#188  Postby Weaver » Dec 17, 2014 6:21 pm

Needle stuck in the groove again, Scot Dutchy?
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#189  Postby Scot Dutchy » Dec 17, 2014 7:28 pm

Well it takes a lot to make it jump. Nothing much jumping just now.
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#190  Postby Tangerine Dream » Dec 18, 2014 12:18 am

A technical kick, perhaps ? :smoke: :grin:
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#191  Postby Skinny Puppy » Dec 18, 2014 6:07 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:I see it works well in America. :whistle:



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#192  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Dec 18, 2014 7:26 am

Weaver wrote:The US can assist with forensic police expertise unmatched in the rest of the world. The FBI really is world-class at investigating things like this - from the analysis of the gunman and his motivations to the analysis of the siege and the final resolution - determine lessons learned and lead to improvements.


I think his motives were very clear. A very genuine concern for the the effect of caffeine poisoning on the human body. We are lucky to have such visionaries in our midst. :dopey:
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#193  Postby Weaver » Dec 18, 2014 7:53 am

Darwinsbulldog wrote:
Weaver wrote:The US can assist with forensic police expertise unmatched in the rest of the world. The FBI really is world-class at investigating things like this - from the analysis of the gunman and his motivations to the analysis of the siege and the final resolution - determine lessons learned and lead to improvements.


I think his motives were very clear. A very genuine concern for the the effect of caffeine poisoning on the human body. We are lucky to have such visionaries in our midst. :dopey:

Well, thank goodness for that. Glad he was so willing to kill people to get his message out.
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#194  Postby Darwinsbulldog » Dec 18, 2014 8:35 am

Weaver wrote:
Darwinsbulldog wrote:
Weaver wrote:The US can assist with forensic police expertise unmatched in the rest of the world. The FBI really is world-class at investigating things like this - from the analysis of the gunman and his motivations to the analysis of the siege and the final resolution - determine lessons learned and lead to improvements.


I think his motives were very clear. A very genuine concern for the the effect of caffeine poisoning on the human body. We are lucky to have such visionaries in our midst. :dopey:

Well, thank goodness for that. Glad he was so willing to kill people to get his message out.

What really gets me is that so many are getting through the net. This guy had a long history of violence and radicalism. I guess our "Homeland Security" is too focused on beating up real refugees to bother with real threats.
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#195  Postby ED209 » Dec 19, 2014 4:18 pm

Sydney siege: Muslim funeral directors tell authorities to dump Man Haron Monis' body 'in the s***house'

Australian Muslim funeral directors have vowed not to accept the body of Sydney gunman Man Haron Monis, saying authorities should dump his corpse at sea or “chuck him in the bloody s***house”.


The 50-year-old was killed by police after two hostages died during a 16-hour-siege at a café earlier this week.

His body will be released before Christmas as soon as autopsies are completed but no one has claimed it, the Australian Daily Telegraph reported...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 35176.html

:lol: could they be any more australian about it
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#196  Postby Weaver » Dec 19, 2014 6:27 pm

That certainly is classic Oz right there ... Love it!
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#197  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Dec 21, 2014 4:05 am

Weaver wrote:That certainly is classic Oz right there ... Love it!


It is also a lovely kick in the mouth for all the people trying to tar the Muslim community with this one guys actions.
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#198  Postby Rome Existed » Dec 21, 2014 5:18 am

DarthHelmet86 wrote:
Weaver wrote:That certainly is classic Oz right there ... Love it!


It is also a lovely kick in the mouth for all the people trying to tar the Muslim community with this one guys actions.


After more than 50 Australian Islamic organisations, not to mention more overseas, speaking out against this attack, and Muslim funeral homes refusing to accept his body, I still see people on Facebook moaning about how Muslims never speak out against this sort of thing. It's like people have blinders on and are able to ignore everything that doesn't fit their own narrative.
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Re: Sydney cafe hostage situation

#199  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Dec 21, 2014 5:39 am

Some of them have blinders on for sure, you can show them the evidence and they will return with the same shit time after time and if you mention the fact you have already shown them to be wrong you will just get silence until the next return of the bullshit. Or if they do accept the evidence it will be with an added qualifier that it isn't enough so they can continue their rant. Others speak from ignorance and can be shown the evidence and will change their tune.
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#200  Postby Rome Existed » Dec 21, 2014 5:41 am

DarthHelmet86 wrote:Some of them have blinders on for sure, you can show them the evidence and they will return with the same shit time after time and if you mention the fact you have already shown them to be wrong you will just get silence until the next return of the bullshit. Or if they do accept the evidence it will be with an added qualifier that it isn't enough so they can continue their rant. Others speak from ignorance and can be shown the evidence and will change their tune.


It's like people who demand that Japan apologise for what they did during WW2. Japan has issued over 100 official apologies.
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