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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#41  Postby Mike_L » Jan 07, 2021 12:53 pm

Hermit wrote:Oh noes. Mike_L indulged in men

No, I didn't! The Putin-Carlson thing was just a joke!



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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#42  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 1:03 pm

There's a place where you can stick your kidding.
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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#43  Postby Hermit » Jan 07, 2021 1:09 pm

Mike_L wrote:
Hermit wrote:Oh noes. Mike_L indulged in men

No, I didn't! The Putin-Carlson thing was just a joke!



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This
Mike_L wrote:So race just suddenly becomes real when you want to accuse someone (like Tucker) of racism? You're like those people who insist that demographic replacement is just a conspiracy theory... right up until the moment they start celebrating demographic replacement...


was mendacious quote mining, though, right?

As you are completely unapologetic about it you might just be entitled to some form of repercussion coming from a moderator.
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"The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#44  Postby felltoearth » Jan 07, 2021 1:24 pm

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Mike_L wrote:Some clarification is still needed, though: are all nationalists "human excrement" to you, or just the white nationalists?


Nationalists are chasing fictions to begin with.
...

Yes, but are open borders as good as no borders?


Are you really this stupid or are you just being dishonest? Neither is a good look.


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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#45  Postby felltoearth » Jan 07, 2021 1:27 pm

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Mike_L wrote:Nevertheless, my Tucker Carlson poster is right next to my Vladimir Putin poster on my bedroom ceiling.


A racist demagogue and a murderous autocrat as poster boys.

And you're proud of this.

Mike_L’s MO. When called on something double and triple down until there’s no escape and joke your way out until the next time.


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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#46  Postby felltoearth » Jan 07, 2021 1:34 pm

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As the Science Daily article shows, race differences are perceived even by infants.
It takes a whole lot of liberal brainwashing to convince oneself otherwise.


You’re either misreading or misrepresenting the article. Babies don’t perceive race. They have no concept of what race is.


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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#47  Postby Mike_L » Jan 07, 2021 1:42 pm

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Spearthrower wrote:As for your 'question' (good faith? HA!) I think it's pretty safe to say I consider all forms of nationalism to be absurd.


Why? Is nationalism not simply the inevitable result of human differences... in history, in culture, in religions, in beliefs, in values, etc.


That's a bit like saying that oppression of women is the inevitable result of physical differences between men and women.

Of course, the fact that historically women were oppressed doesn't mean that we're obliged to continue doing that ad nauseam. The fact that some men still want to oppress women doesn't mean that we should just accept it and continue on. That something has happened or does happen isn't justification for its occurrence. Remember reason?

And of course, it's not in the slightest bit inevitable anyway. Plenty of societies both present and historical managed perfectly well to include diverse peoples with different traditions - we even have a word for it with respect to such societies: "tolerance".

If it were 'inevitable' then why don't I share this view? Why don't others? Why do so many people not share this view? The only logical answer is...

BLAH BLAH BLAH

Christ! Another wall of text!

I've spent the majority of my adult life living in other countries...

...and you never encountered a culture that values brevity?


Utter bollocks and save the raving conspiracy claptrap of the spooky globalists for a more appropriate venue. Keep pulling this ad hominem bullshit and I'll start repeatedly implying you're a fucking Nazi and see how you squeal then. And you will squeal Mike_L.

That's a limp wrist at the keyboard. A strong hand would type real assertions, not just "repeatedly imply" stuff. You're supposed to be throwing spears, not flicking toothpicks, FFS.


...once they leave the little cage they've manufactured for themselves, they'd find the wider world is not a scary place full of incomprehensible aliens, but really just other people with a preponderance of shared values.

Shit. It's like you're plagiarising the most trite of the Sainsburys multicultural propaganda broadcasts Christmas television commercials. Anyway, "shared values" is good. It's just a pity that some tend to share their values a little too ardently.


...a post-graduate science degree in Human Evolution with a solid foundation in genetics and more than a decade of teaching the subject...

And with all of that you arrive at something that amounts to: "Race isn't real, but racists are!"
I could get that off a leftist bumper-sticker.


Included in How Evolution Shapes Our Lives: Essays on Biology and Society, Princeton University Press, 2016

I get the meaning of the text (observable differences in phenotype arise from very small differences in genotype). But when liberals resort to the genetic argument against race, there's always that subtext: white folk must STFU while being disappeared.


I'm not looking at YT videos for you Mike_L.

It's just a 10 s clip, but it says plenty.
ronmcd has posted the full 4-minute version (post #39), and it's even more illuminating...



For starters, nothing that precedes or follows the "We're winning" remark contradicts or diminishes what is very obviously a celebration of demographic change. In fact, the remainder of the video actually reinforces the theme....
She rails against "integration" and "assimilation" and goes on to describe England as a "white supremacist state". (Yes, really! :lol: )
"The goal shouldn't be to integrate into an unjust society," she says. "The goal should be to transform it."
Transform it, eh?
She may as well have said something along the lines of: Revenge against the British Raj at last!


I wish your parents had just introduced you to porn - it would have been far less damaging to your long-term well-being.

Well, on one thing we can agree!


So which is it? Am I the self-hating white chap full of guilt? Do I seem to be espousing any self-hate or guilt here Mikey? Or am I the brown boy with an equal propensity for foolish belief in crackpot ideas as you?

Is there no option (c)?


Spearthrower wrote:There's a place where you can stick your kidding.

Squeal! :o

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Mike_L wrote:So race just suddenly becomes real when you want to accuse someone (like Tucker) of racism? You're like those people who insist that demographic replacement is just a conspiracy theory... right up until the moment they start celebrating demographic replacement...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXTgFZxSxGE

was mendacious quote mining, though, right?

As you are completely unapologetic about it you might just be entitled to some form of repercussion coming from a moderator.

No, it absolutely isn't quote-mining. The edited version is not at odds with (or a misrepresentation of) the full video. (See above)
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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#49  Postby ronmcd » Jan 07, 2021 2:01 pm

Mike_L wrote:
No, it absolutely isn't quote-mining. The edited version is not at odds with (or a misrepresentation of) the full video. (See above)

Now that's just an outright lie, isn't it Mike?
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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#50  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:02 pm

The place you keep extracting from, Mike_L - try inserting all this crap back there because no one's interested in what you're selling. The world is full of people like you selling fatuous lies and deceit - you'll find plenty of places falling over themselves to buy into your blathering.
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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#51  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:03 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Included in How Evolution Shapes Our Lives: Essays on Biology and Society, Princeton University Press, 2016

https://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/curr ... pleton.pdf

Conclusions

The genetic data are consistently and strongly informative about human races. Humans show only modest levels of differentiation among populations when compared to other large-bodied mammals, and this level of differentiation is well below the usual threshold used to identify sub-species (races) in nonhuman species. Hence, human races do not exist under the traditional concept of a subspecies as being a geographically circumscribed population showing sharp genetic differentiation. A more modem definition of race is that of a distinct evolutionary lineage within a species. The genetic evidence strongly rejects the existence of distinct evolutionary lineages within humans. The widespread representation of human "races" as branches on an intraspecific population tree is genetically indefensible and biologically misleading, even when the ancestral node is presented as being at 100,000 years ago.

Attempts to salvage the idea of human "races" as evolutionary lineages by invoking greater racial purity in the past followed by admixture events are unsuccessful and falsified by multilocus comparisons of geographical concordance and by haplotype analyses. Instead, all of the genetic evidence shows that there never was a split or separation of the "races'" or between Africans and Eurasians. Recent human evolution has been characterized by both population range expansions (with perhaps some local replacements but no global replacement within the last 100,000 years) and recurrent genetic interchange. The 100,000 years ago "divergence time" between Eurasians and Africans that is commonly found in the recent literature is really only an "effective divergence time" in sensu Nei and Roychoudhury (1974, 1982). Since no split occurred between Africans and Eurasians, it is meaningless to assign a date to an "event" that never happened. Instead,the effective divergence time measures the amount of restricted gene flow among the populations (Slatkin 1991). Because of the extensive evidence for genetic interchange through population movements and recurrent gene flow going back at least hundreds of thousands of years ago, there is only one evolutionary lineage of humanity and there are no subspecies or races under either the traditional or phylogenetic definitions. Human evolution and population structure have been and are characterized by many locally differentiated populations coexisting at any given time, but with sufficient genetic contact to make all of humanity a single lineage sharing a common, long-term evolutionary fate.


A whole lot of liberal brainwashing on my part? Or a complete fucking ignorance of genetics coupled with a network of radicalizing far-right racists on your part Mike_L?

I wonder what this website's membership has a tendency to conceive of as more credible? The cocky, self-serving declarations of an ideologue apparently ignorant of the entire field of Biology, or one of the world's leading geneticists exploring the topic in detail with respect to the available empirical evidence?



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#52  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:10 pm

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-020-00546-3

There is little evidence that radicalization is primarily driven by psychopathology (Misiak et al., 2019; Post, 2015; Webber and Kruglanski, 2017). Rather, radicalization appears to be a process in which individuals are destabilized by various environmental factors, exposed to extremist ideology, and subsequently reinforced by members of their community (Becker, 2019; Jasko et al., 2017; Jensen et al., 2018; Mills et al., 2019; Webber and Kruglanski, 2017). Even “lone wolves”, or solo actors, often interact with extremist communities online (Holt et al., 2019; Kaplan et al., 2014; Post, 2015). As such, radicalization may spread through a social contagion process, in which extremist ideologies behave like complex contagions that require multiple exposures for adoption
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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#53  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:14 pm

Image

Woof woof!

What's that Lassie?

Woof!

Mike_L's fallen down a far right well? We've got to help him!

Woof!

What do you mean he doesn't want to leave?

Woof!

He likes it down there? But why?

Woof!

Ahh of course.
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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#54  Postby Mike_L » Jan 07, 2021 2:19 pm

Spearthrower wrote:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-020-00546-3

There is little evidence that radicalization is primarily driven by psychopathology (Misiak et al., 2019; Post, 2015; Webber and Kruglanski, 2017). Rather, radicalization appears to be a process in which individuals are destabilized by various environmental factors, exposed to extremist ideology, and subsequently reinforced by members of their community (Becker, 2019; Jasko et al., 2017; Jensen et al., 2018; Mills et al., 2019; Webber and Kruglanski, 2017). Even “lone wolves”, or solo actors, often interact with extremist communities online (Holt et al., 2019; Kaplan et al., 2014; Post, 2015). As such, radicalization may spread through a social contagion process, in which extremist ideologies behave like complex contagions that require multiple exposures for adoption

Yes, but is there a cure for liberalism?
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#55  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:20 pm

felltoearth wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:
Mike_L wrote:Nevertheless, my Tucker Carlson poster is right next to my Vladimir Putin poster on my bedroom ceiling.


A racist demagogue and a murderous autocrat as poster boys.

And you're proud of this.

Mike_L’s MO. When called on something double and triple down until there’s no escape and joke your way out until the next time.


Aye, I am all too familiar with it having seen it dozens of times. It's all part of the mendacious discourse Mike_L seems to think has some impact here. It does indeed have an impact here; just not the kind of impact he thinks it has.
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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#56  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:21 pm

Mike_L wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-020-00546-3

There is little evidence that radicalization is primarily driven by psychopathology (Misiak et al., 2019; Post, 2015; Webber and Kruglanski, 2017). Rather, radicalization appears to be a process in which individuals are destabilized by various environmental factors, exposed to extremist ideology, and subsequently reinforced by members of their community (Becker, 2019; Jasko et al., 2017; Jensen et al., 2018; Mills et al., 2019; Webber and Kruglanski, 2017). Even “lone wolves”, or solo actors, often interact with extremist communities online (Holt et al., 2019; Kaplan et al., 2014; Post, 2015). As such, radicalization may spread through a social contagion process, in which extremist ideologies behave like complex contagions that require multiple exposures for adoption


Yes, but is there a cure for liberalism?



Yes, of course there is!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law


The 'cure' is called tyranny Mike_L - it's what crackpot far-right extremists are brainwashed into thinking would be preferable to the fear they're inculcated with of having to encounter people who aren't exactly the same as them.
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#57  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:26 pm

Still not seeing any list of races from Mike_L.

I wonder why that is. I mean, how could you believe in something that apparently motivates so many other extreme beliefs, but not even have a sketched outline of the content of your beliefs?

I would suggest it's indoctrination, a kind of cult-like belief system where introspection and critical thinking is not just unwelcome but positively avoided.
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#58  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:35 pm

there's always that subtext: white folk must STFU while being disappeared.


Another subtext only you can see!

This appears to be a common phenomenon in South Africa - Jayjay was all about seeing things that weren't there. You're about the same age as him too, so perhaps it's just a result of failings in the education system from 40 years ago or so.

Of course, white folks aren't being disappeared, nor are they ever going to be disappeared. It's not how biology works, it's not how anything works. Belief in this relies on abject ignorance of biology, of genetics, and population dynamics.

Of course, it's a common far-right trope that was loudly broadcast by the Nazis and used as justification for their attempted extermination of Germany's Jews. There's the reality. There's nothing remotely defensive about the idea - there's no credible real-world threat occurring, but the propaganda is used to justify horrific acts against other people.

I am sure most far-right extremists didn't set out thinking that they need to engage in race-based delusional hatred, but the process of radicalization erodes their reason leading them into ever darker world views. Were they able to look back a few years to their past and see their thinking then and compare it, they'd realize they've become a stranger to themselves and abandoned so many principles they once held dear.
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#59  Postby Spearthrower » Jan 07, 2021 2:39 pm

Imagine finding yourself espousing a position in which liberty, consent, and legal equality need to be 'cured'.
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Re: "The always-excellent Tucker Carlson"

#60  Postby Mike_L » Jan 07, 2021 2:46 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Still not seeing any list of races from Mike_L.

I'm still waiting for the research update for quoting purposes.


I would suggest it's indoctrination, a kind of cult-like belief system where introspection and critical thinking is not just unwelcome but positively avoided.


Indoctrination is everywhere...

I’m a Former Teacher. Here’s How Your Children Are Getting Indoctrinated by Leftist Ideology.

Douglas Blair
Aug 17th, 2020

Your children are being indoctrinated. The education system designed to teach them how to think critically has been weaponized by the radical left to push an anti-American agenda.

As someone who has worked in education for four years, I have seen firsthand how your children are being ensnared by the left and their teachers.

I worked with kids from ages 3 to 13 and saw the brainwashing that exists at all levels of education. The left uses a combination of propaganda and suppression to push kids into the ensnaring grip of socialism and anti-patriotism.

First is the propaganda. Teachers will assign work instilling the idea that the pillars of Western civilization were evil, and their memories deserve to be thrown in the trash.
...

...
But it isn’t just a matter of actively teaching that America and the West are evil. Suppression of “wrongthink” is equally as important to the brainwashing process. The lessons I was allowed to teach also were censored.

I was preparing a lesson on Thanksgiving involving Pilgrims and American Indians, with an activity centered on making paper teepees for arts and crafts. Cue the progressive panic.

Other teachers at the school were incensed that a non-Indian was “appropriating” Native American culture for an activity. Of course, these teachers weren’t Indians either, they just wanted to virtue signal.
...

Full text at:
https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/im-former-teacher-heres-how-your-children-are-getting-indoctrinated-leftist
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