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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#501  Postby Willie71 » Dec 06, 2017 9:42 pm

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Rachel Bronwyn wrote:I haven't seen anyone in this brouhaha face any consequences for whom there wasn't extraordinary evidence they were inappropriate. Hell, we know Franken did what he did and absolutely nothing's happened to him aside from being embarrassed (as he should be.)

Which one of these gross dudes has been steamrolled unfairly? Matt Lauer? Weinstein? Wait, was it Bill Cosby?

And, yes, you lose your pension and tarnish your reputation when you sexually harrass and assault people. It's also easy to avoid by just not being a fucking creep.

God damn it! Franken is someone I helped elect. I elected him to do a fucking important job in Minnesota. Some fucking asshole lesser celebrity from his past doesn't get to inject herself into our world with hearsay and then Franken gets to retire instead of doing the job I called for him to do. I do not give a fuck if he hammed it up years ago, or accidently put his hand too low on a back. It has nothing to do with what is on record as his efforts to protect woman among other good things.

For instance. He was sponsoring a bill, with his power, that would have kept woman from being re-raped by law-enforcement after the first rape. She fucked that up!

How about we judge politicians by their work and ignore hearsay accusations until they are proven, and then only remove people from their jobs when they have actually committed a crime?


My concern is that I was all over Roy moore until ranken exploded. He is my guy and Moore is, to me, a fucking nightmare. I am filled with obvious bias.

There is the rub. Roy Moore presumably did some really bad shit and he has professionally, and provably, done some crazy Biblican shit. The media frenzy has left him sort of in a better light because all the light is now very diffuse and falling on everyone. Do I have to now give Moore the same pass that I am willing to give Franken?

Honestly I am upset and confused. I really don't know what stance to adopt anymore. If you follow Sarah Silverman's new talk show she did a short announcement about her friend Louis that was remarkable. Her words hurt me in that she was suggesting that this tumor of sexual abuse would need painful surgery and I immediately interpreted that to be my horror over possibly losing Al Franken as a 2020 candidate against Trump. She also expressed exactly my confusion over how to judge these things. Watch it. On Hulu.


There is a pretty damning photograph of Franken sexually assaulting her though.

However, my close female friends and I have engaged in silly antics where they’d tap-sac me and I’d squeeze a breast and honk. When you get comfortable with friends over time those sort of boundaries become blended and instead of sexual they become comedic.

Now I don’t know much about the situation regarding Franken, but just a cursory glance shows his issues are pretty minor in the scheme of sexual assaults in Congress.


Franken is more an example of poor boundaries, buying into a sexist comedic culture (Adam sander, Eddie Murphy etc...) but he doesn’t present as a predator. Louis CK is somewhere in the middle. He touched on a lot of this “dirty” sexuality in the tv series Horace and Pete. It struck me as someone who personally struggled with non mainstream sexual desires, and a personal struggle with managing them. The revelations were along the same lines as the themes in the show. Roy Moore and trump are power/predatory animals. They seek out people with less power that they can take advantage of. In their mind, they likely believe the women want them because they are powerful/famous, when in reality, it’s because they are intimidated.

As friends, we can determine our boundaries over time, and they can be changing and renegotiated. These men we are discussing weren’t in personal relationships, they were at work. Being at work isn’t a dating service.
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#502  Postby Seabass » Dec 06, 2017 10:09 pm

Franken's accusers are a bunch of crazy Trump cultists. I trust Trump cultists about as far as I can throw them.



Leeann Tweeden was a frequent guest on Hannity's show. Hannity is a right-wing conspiracy nut.

Lindsay Menz tweeted her accusation to someone named Liz Wheeler.
https://twitter.com/LindsayMenz/status/ ... 2888085504

This Liz Wheeler person is apparently is a serious right-wing wacko:
https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/ ... 3268684800
If only liberals cared about Planned Parenthood selling arms, legs, brains, livers, & skulls of aborted human babies as much as they care about Don, Jr. holding an elephant tail.

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Just a reminder that Democrats still have not done anything to stop funding Planned Parenthood, where 323,000 unborn babies are killed every year.

She also retweeted a tweet that called Trump-Russia the "hoax of the century".
Insider's Tip: Trump-Russia collusion story is "hoax of the century". Thanks @Liz_Wheeler @aprillafever @OANN for discussing backstory with me. Far more like "Burn After Reading" than "All the President's Men." See clip:


This Liz Wheeler appears to be affiliated with a pro-Trump cable news channel called One America News.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_America_News_Network
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Trump presidency
According to a number of former and current employees at the channel, as well as internal e-mails, the executives of the channel have "directed his channel to push Trump’s candidacy, scuttle stories about police shootings, encourage antiabortion stories, minimize coverage of Russian aggression, and steer away from the new president’s troubles."[19] During the 2016 presidential campaign, the channel ran a special titled "Betrayal at Benghazi: The Cost of Hillary Clinton’s Dereliction and Greed."[19] Herring, the owner of the channel, sent producers at the channel a report falsely claiming that Hillary Clinton had a brain tumor, and asked them to check up on it.[19] He also shared a report with producers that claimed that Planned Parenthood had promoted abortion, and ordered them to minimize coverage of Pope Francis's US visit due to the Pope's calls for action on climate change.[19] Herring repeatedly ordered his producers not to cover stories pertaining to Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.[19]

In October 2017, the channel said without any evidence that a "report" had been published which showed "U.K. Crime Rises 13% Annually Amid Spread of Radical Islamic Terror".[20] President Trump later repeated this falsehood, suggesting that he learned of from the OAN.[21][22]

In August 2017, One America News Network currently reached 35 million homes and had nationwide distribution from DirecTV, Verizon FiOS TV, AT&T U-verse, Frontier Communications, CenturyLink PRISM TV, and numerous regional video distributors.[19]

Smearing of sexual misconduct accusers
In November 2017, in the wake of a Washington Post report on accusations that Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore had molested or made inappropriate sexual contact with a number of women under the age of 18 (including a 14-year old), One America News promoted a false rumor by an anonymous Twitter account that the Washington Post had offered $1,000 to Roy Moore's accusers.[23][24] One America News described the tweet as a "report" and described the tweeter as a "former Secret Service agent and Navy veteran".[24] The Twitter account had a history of tweeting falsehoods and conspiracy theories; the Twitter account has also made repeated and inconsistent lies about its identity, including appropriating the identity of a Navy serviceman who died in 2007.[24]

After it was revealed that the story was a hoax, One America News did not retract its report.[23]


Stephanie Kemplin, also a Trumplicant:
Army veteran says Franken groped her during USO tour in 2003
Kemplin, who now works as a federal contractor investigating Medicare fraud, is a registered Republican and said she voted for President Donald Trump in the 2016 election.




Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all. And fuck the Dems who are telling Franken to resign. The fucking Republicans are backing fucking Roy fucking Moore & fucking Donald fucking Trump, and the Democrats are going to let a bunch of Trump loons smear Franken out of existence. Shit ain't right.
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#503  Postby Macdoc » Dec 06, 2017 10:49 pm

Swift boating comes to mind. :coffee:
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#504  Postby Seabass » Dec 07, 2017 12:00 am

Well, that's it. Franken's out.

Report: Franken will resign Thursday

Once again, the Republicans are ruthless and amoral as fuck, and the milquetoast Democrats eat their own over bullshit. Fuck. Holding the moral high ground doesn't help you if your opponents have zero fucking morals.
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#505  Postby Seabass » Dec 07, 2017 12:05 am

Smear hurts Democrats, but truth doesn't hurt Republicans. This is a supremely fucked up state of affairs.
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#506  Postby willhud9 » Dec 07, 2017 5:57 am

Seabass wrote:Well, that's it. Franken's out.

Report: Franken will resign Thursday

Once again, the Republicans are ruthless and amoral as fuck, and the milquetoast Democrats eat their own over bullshit. Fuck. Holding the moral high ground doesn't help you if your opponents have zero fucking morals.


Franken's tweet says otherwise:

Not accurate, @mpr @Stowydad. No final decision has been made and the Senator is still talking with his family. Please update your story.


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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#507  Postby Agrippina » Dec 07, 2017 10:01 am

How about all the touching and feeling that happens on our tv screens every night? Is touching and groping people when you're acting get a pass?
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#508  Postby zulumoose » Dec 07, 2017 10:37 am

Agrippina wrote:How about all the touching and feeling that happens on our tv screens every night? Is touching and groping people when you're acting get a pass?


It's all in the script. Nobody acts out a scene without reading the script first, and agreeing to carry on is informed consent.
I bet there are many though who have regrets, and felt pressured into it.
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#509  Postby SpeedOfSound » Dec 07, 2017 10:56 am

Seabass wrote:Well, that's it. Franken's out.

Report: Franken will resign Thursday

Once again, the Republicans are ruthless and amoral as fuck, and the milquetoast Democrats eat their own over bullshit. Fuck. Holding the moral high ground doesn't help you if your opponents have zero fucking morals.


Looks like we are going to have to rely on Trump and the Biblican Party to defend women's rights and treatments going forward.
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#510  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 07, 2017 11:06 am

Because it's impossible for Minnesota to elect another progressive senator.
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#511  Postby Agrippina » Dec 07, 2017 11:12 am

zulumoose wrote:
Agrippina wrote:How about all the touching and feeling that happens on our tv screens every night? Is touching and groping people when you're acting get a pass?


It's all in the script. Nobody acts out a scene without reading the script first, and agreeing to carry on is informed consent.
I bet there are many though who have regrets, and felt pressured into it.


Yes, I asked because I recently read some stories porn stars told about their experiences.
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#512  Postby Willie71 » Dec 07, 2017 5:32 pm

Agrippina wrote:
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Agrippina wrote:How about all the touching and feeling that happens on our tv screens every night? Is touching and groping people when you're acting get a pass?


It's all in the script. Nobody acts out a scene without reading the script first, and agreeing to carry on is informed consent.
I bet there are many though who have regrets, and felt pressured into it.


Yes, I asked because I recently read some stories porn stars told about their experiences.


This is very true. Unless you are a big star, you may be (will be) forced to choose to do things that are dangerous or painful to get jobs, or be put on the spot in the middle of a scene with little chance to think it through.
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#513  Postby WayOfTheDodo » Dec 07, 2017 7:32 pm

willhud9 wrote:There is a pretty damning photograph of Franken sexually assaulting her though.

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#514  Postby Calilasseia » Dec 07, 2017 8:26 pm

This is starting to become a little surreal. Apparently, now Melanie Martinez is being accused of rape ...

More on this from CNN ...

EDIT: More on this from The Independent ...
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#515  Postby willhud9 » Dec 07, 2017 10:06 pm

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willhud9 wrote:There is a pretty damning photograph of Franken sexually assaulting her though.

Link?


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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#516  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Dec 07, 2017 10:32 pm

He's admitted to doing it...
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#517  Postby willhud9 » Dec 08, 2017 12:07 am

Correct. Which is why I don’t know why people are trying to say he didn’t.
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#518  Postby SpeedOfSound » Dec 08, 2017 1:33 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:He's admitted to doing it...

His admission to poor taste is not surprising. Whether or not he agrees that he should not have done it is a matter of guesswork. I doubt he did anything wrong at all. I have no interest in defending woman from Al Franken level fucking around.
Now he had to take a different stance than Roy Moore. Do you get why? Moore get's to go free if someone doesn't take a bullet along with him. The Dem's are reacting to a well planned and brilliant chess move by the Biblicans. Unfortunately reacting is just going to dig a deeper hole for the Democratic Party. We pretty much lost this battle and most future battles as well.

Fucking amazing those Biblicans. Outthinking and outdoing liberals at every turn. Starts out they have a fringe candidate in peril, one who probably won't do much to promote their game anyway due to his utter craziness, and then in defending him they fire a bullet right into the head of the best god damned Democrat we have working for us. The only one I know of who could have taking the dictatorship from Trump. Better yet! They fucking didn't even have to do anything. Damn! The democrats did it for them. If I were a betting man those Biblicans are my bet.

Now lets see how women fare in this New-Biblican bible thumping world. Way to fucking go Girl.
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#519  Postby Ironclad » Dec 08, 2017 2:17 am

There's something not great about being accused some three decade later? How can anyone defend themselves against this 'onslaught' if innocent? :think:
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Re: The Hollywood Sex Scandal

#520  Postby Mike_L » Dec 08, 2017 8:54 am

SpeedOfSound wrote:Now lets see how women fare in this New-Biblican bible thumping world. Way to fucking go Girl.

There's an entire thesis along these lines... that Western women are responsible for their own undoing, in that "feminism" and "female sexual permissiveness" are causing (or at least hastening) the collapse of Western civilization.
Needless to say, it's a slightly controversial viewpoint! The 18-minute YouTube video includes this disclaimer:
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Those who decide to view it anyway can simply click on the blue button "I understand and wish to proceed".
Perhaps the reason that this video is merely restricted (as opposed to completely binned by YouTube) is that it is not entirely without academic merit. The producer presents a rather strong argument in support of his thesis. I think most people on this forum will find it outrageous, but I'd encourage them to watch it anyway... because it's a view that's probably going to gain traction as the demographics of European countries are gradually (or not-so-gradually) transformed...

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