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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3901  Postby zulumoose » Sep 12, 2021 12:08 pm

Many times in my life I have been plagued by the "snap out of it" brigade, incapable of understanding that all they do is make me withdraw more by presenting something so far removed from understanding that withdrawal is as automatic as a gag reflex.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3902  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 12, 2021 12:33 pm

Just to toss in the other side here though: even if it's only passing and ephemeral or self-serving, that still seems better than suffering a chronic condition which no one ever acknowledges, believes, or gives a damn about!
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#3903  Postby zulumoose » Sep 12, 2021 12:40 pm

Not when even a well meaning "snap out of it" will come across as demeaning, because it invalidates your condition as something self inflicted that you can just choose to stop, as if you are pretending. This can be taken as a form of rejection, which is far worse than being ignored.
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#3904  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 12, 2021 1:18 pm

zulumoose wrote:Not when even a well meaning "snap out of it" will come across as demeaning, because it invalidates your condition as something self inflicted that you can just choose to stop, as if you are pretending. This can be taken as a form of rejection, which is far worse than being ignored.



My guess is that when you only experience one, the other seems comparably better.
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#3905  Postby mindhack » Sep 12, 2021 9:51 pm

Agrippina wrote:Has anyone else who's had Covid experienced symptoms that only appeared after recovery? Body pain, shortness of breath, chest pain, exhaustion? It seems to go away, and then a week later I feel sick again. I already do have a pain condition, but this is worse. Even sitting upright is painful at times. But because the bottoms of my feet, and leg muscles hurt when I stand for too long, I have to sit, but not for long before that begins to hurt as well. This only happened a couple of weeks after I recovered from thee infection, and now using my arms, like washing dishes for instance, hurts. I'm taking my regular drugs for the pain issue, but between that and the flair-ups of depression, it's getting a little tough to keep going on. So then it just seems like there's no point.


To offer you my own anecdote about your question, Aggie. Yes, I had a similar experience. I got Covid in october last year. About a year ago. Initially I had a rough cough and head and chest pain, but other than that I felt not too bad. But then, a week or two later, after my symptoms had resided, an overwhelming fatigue kicked in. And a shortness of breath that was at times frightening. I recall pondering whether or not to call an ambulance because of me grasping for air, just when I was in bed trying to get some rest. There was this thing where I felt completely run down, but then, when I laid down I felt my lungs just didn't absorb enough oxigen from the air.

My recovery took months. My symptoms came in waves. At times I felt fine. The waves became less frequent in time. But even now, a year later, symptoms still sometimes crop up, mostly when I'm stressed. It seems my lungs have taken some damage, but al in all I consider myself healed.

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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3906  Postby Macdoc » Sep 13, 2021 6:55 pm

If you can find it Yerba Maté tea may well help as your symptoms are similar to high altitude sickness.
Also I found eucalytus lozenges helped my breathing with we stayed at Putre in the Andes at 11,500' after coming directly from sea level.
We then visited two spots, one was 15,500'.
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Sleeping at Putre was a chore...had to lie on my stomach as much as possible and the eucalytus helped keep my airways clear.

Covid damage works in a similar way..you are plain out low on useable oxygen. Rough couple of days. Happy when back to sea level.
No easy path for post Covid tho but these are easy things to try to alleviate some of the symptoms.
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#3907  Postby Agrippina » Sep 15, 2021 6:04 am

Thanks for the encouragement everyone. I do appreciate it. It does get better. I'm having more days where I can manage to do small jobs keeping the house from sinking under dust, a little at a time. I find a lot of pleasure in my garden, so I get out into the sun and the vitamin d while watering new plants every afternoon, and we get pre-cooked, and pre-prepared raw vegetables as we can, so II don't have to chop a pineapple when I can get a ready-cut boxful. Or chop up a cabbage to make coleslaw. I buy a container with other vegetables and the cabbage, then cook the top part of the "stir fry" using the leftover cabbage to add some crushed pineapple and mayo for coleslaw for the next few days. That kind of thing.

We're in birthday and anniversary week (I met him 37 years ago on the 19th, and it's son number 3's 45th birthday on the 17th) until the long weekend of the 24th (DH's 80th birthday), so I'm sending the men out today to buy cake (not making from scratch anymore), and my youngest is taking us on a road trip to a game park on the 25th, overnight. I'm just not up to doing any hard work, it just hurts too much. The living room is covered up with chairs on the covered sofa so the dogs don't dirty it, and we have tv and other entertainment in our bedrooms.

He goes out three times a week for a few hours to bowl, then comes back to his bed and Briitbox, and games on his iPad. A little bit at a time, but I must admit I'm a bit worried about the four hour road trip and then whether I'll be able to sit in a car for hours while we photograph wildlife, but I won't complain, it's a nice gift, one himself with thoroughly enjoy. Luckily there are pit stops in the park for my bathroom breaks, and our sleeping accommodation is near the bathrooms, always a necessity when I'm out. I won't get back to where I was a year ago, but mentally I'm doing well now. All the kids and the grandkids are going to be on zoom on for big birthday, and on the bright side, seeing them all together that way without having to wash dishes or control over-enthusiastic dogs while we socialise all together for the first time in 18 months, will make it even better. I just hope I don't spoil it with the emotional tears I can't control anymore. Thanks I do value the encouragement, and I'll come back with some pictures of, hopefully, lions and elephants at least.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3908  Postby zulumoose » Sep 15, 2021 3:36 pm

lions and elephants at least


Giraffe!!!!!!

Lions and Elephants are circus animals, have you ever seen a Giraffe shying away from a chair?
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3909  Postby Macdoc » Sep 16, 2021 1:22 am

For your amusement tho Canadian oriented
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#3910  Postby Agrippina » Sep 16, 2021 5:42 am

zulumoose wrote:
lions and elephants at least


Giraffe!!!!!!

Lions and Elephants are circus animals, have you ever seen a Giraffe shying away from a chair?


Yeah I'm a little blasé about giraffes, they're not terribly interesting just standing there with their long necks showing off how they can get to the juicy leaves at the top. Lions and elephants though, and hippos, those are what I like to see. Once in the Pilanesberg before they brought in lions, we took the long walk up a hill to admire the view. On our return to the car, there was a rhino between us and the vehicle. What to do, with a young child and camera equipment to get around the massive beast to the safety of the car? It sort of cured us of venturing outside of fenced-in areas even in that relatively safe zone. I enjoy sitting in the hides with a beer and a camera, watching the water holes with the salt licks. Eventually something you don't often see while you're driving will come down. Once on the road going north, we stopped to allow a black-backed jackal cross the road ahead of us. Sigh! Sadly the digital cameras of those days weren't able to zoom in up close to get a decent shot. Now, I have more camera equipment packed ready for the trip than clothes. It's just overnight, so I can get away with just changing shirts for the drive back home again. The tripod and camera bits and pieces are packed and ready to go, along with a pair of binoculars for each of us. (We didn't buy them, we each had a pair, and then inherited the ex's collection as well so there are plenty to go around). It's annoying when you're watching something and someone else resets your settings, so no sharing.

You can see I'm a little excited for the trip. The last one was when we went to the mountain one with Dries and Adrian, seems so long ago.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3911  Postby zulumoose » Sep 16, 2021 1:43 pm

watching the water holes with the salt licks


That's a very odd way of referring to family!

Nice to have something to look forward to. Pics of Giraffe or you weren't there.
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#3912  Postby Tortured_Genius » Sep 16, 2021 2:16 pm

Meanwhile another example of crap reporting from the BBC's Ros Atkins.

It's a video report about Ivermectin. At 5:20 he makes the declaration that thousands of US doctors "appear to be on board with using it" citing 88,000 prescriptions issued last week against a normal rate of 3,600.

This pissed me off since it seemed pretty obvious to me that rather than supporting its use, it's far more likely that when presented with a dickhead patient demanding Ivermectin it's far safer for a doctor to prescribe them a medically controlled tolerable placebo dose rather than refuse and have them walk out down to the nearest pet store and dose themselves with enough of the stuff to thoroughly deworm a herd of wild mustang. It says a lot about the attitude of patients in the US and bugger all about the the support by doctors for the use of the stuff.

I hate this kind of shallow thinking reporting, it's unhelpful.
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#3913  Postby Macdoc » Sep 16, 2021 3:54 pm

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#3914  Postby aban57 » Sep 17, 2021 1:24 pm



That's so sad...
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#3915  Postby The_Piper » Sep 17, 2021 1:33 pm

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#3916  Postby felltoearth » Sep 17, 2021 3:26 pm

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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3917  Postby Agrippina » Sep 18, 2021 9:50 am

zulumoose wrote:
watching the water holes with the salt licks


That's a very odd way of referring to family!


LOL

Nice to have something to look forward to. Pics of Giraffe or you weren't there.


OK I'll make sure to find at least one. If I remember correctly, they hang out in the area going towards Sun City, I'll ask to go down that road. Next Saturday in the bushveld.

My dear son who shares our property with us, went for his second covid jab on Thursday, and yesterday was his 45th birthday. He was pale, and sick, feverish, with a really sore arm. He seems better today but I remember an occasion when I complained about a spider bite that happened while I was sleeping on the trip to the Drakensberg, a certain member of the group explained that the redness and discomfort was my immune system attacking the spider venom. Three years later, and I still have the scar of that spider bite. I explained to him that being a little sick after the shot is evidence that his immune system is doing its job and he should just rest and enjoy the day. That he waited until late night to taste the cheesecake we bought for him was a sign that he definitely wasn't feeling well.

It's icy cold in Jo'burg today, so I'm enjoying a day off from putting on outside clothes to sit on the bed and play games.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3918  Postby Agrippina » Sep 18, 2021 10:00 am



I saw a report this morning that it's been found in lions in a zoo, I think, somewhere. This thing should've been controlled and isolated from the get-go but a certain unmentionable person thought being anti-anything-Obama-would-do would make him win the Nobel prize if it turned out to not be as serious as he was warned, and as a result multi hundreds of millions have died. I can't keep track of numbers anymore. The bastard should be charged with genocide. All it needed was for him to spring into action, to asked the UN and the WHO to recommend closing borders, and to get every single pharmaceutical company in the country working on a vaccine, and handing it out to everyone, everywhere with his permission. But no, if that's what a sane person had done, he would do the opposite, like a disobedient child.

I've given up now. I've been vaccinated, as have the adults in my family, and we'll see each other on our computers until it's over, which I doubt it ever will be now it's jumping to animals.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3919  Postby Agrippina » Sep 18, 2021 10:10 am

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#3920  Postby Agrippina » Sep 18, 2021 10:14 am

zulumoose wrote:Many times in my life I have been plagued by the "snap out of it" brigade, incapable of understanding that all they do is make me withdraw more by presenting something so far removed from understanding that withdrawal is as automatic as a gag reflex.


Yep. I've just emerged from a bad bout of depression that I realised I needed help when I looked at my life insurance to see if suicide would render it invalid. I got the help and am feeling a whole lot better now. If only it were as easy as "just snap out of it".
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