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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3921  Postby Agrippina » Sep 18, 2021 10:28 am

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Agrippina wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Just to toss in the other side here though: even if it's only passing and ephemeral or self-serving, that still seems better than suffering a chronic condition which no one ever acknowledges, believes, or gives a damn about!


This too. "Your "fibromyalgia" and agoraphobia are self-serving. You're too lazy to just get up and sort out your weight problem by eating less... blah blah blah"." Apparently fibromyalgia is "all in your head" and anxiety is self-inflicted negative thinking.


Exactly! When you're already struggling right on the precipice, a friend minimalizing or outright denying your experience can feel like that 'friend' is testing to see just how good your balance is. I think real friends and loved ones should all be engaged in a holding action, lending you their weight to keep you from falling. I'd rather have someone clumsy but sincere than no one there at all.

Many invisible conditions have this added component where it really genuinely is all in your head but that doesn't make the pain or other effects any less real. People can't see it, sure, but it's not like anyone is ignorant that pain doesn't only concur with visible harm, so I don't understand how or why people minimalize or question it.


Then sometimes when you genuinely are seriously injured but know enough how to deal with the injury, and the fear of hospitals its greater than the pain you're experiencing, you get the "if you are really hurting why won't you let us take you to hospital?"

The night before my birthday in 2019, I tripped over an uneven part of the brick paving in our front garden, and landed on my face, breaking facial bones: my nose, my left cheek, and cracking my skull just above my right eye. My youngest daughter-in-law was living with us at the time, and she's trained in first-aid, so she called the men to pick me up, and helped me change my clothes, and bathed my superficial wounds. They all stood around telling me about how I needed to go to the emergency room "in case" I'd done serious damage. Agoraphobia caused me to resist saying I was fine, just a bit shocked and that a little brandy and a good night's sleep would make it all better in the morning. I woke up with concussiion and two black eyes. The rest of the family were coming to celebrate the birthday, and the only ones who expressed any sort of concern were the grandchildren who'd never seen a black eye before. The rest of the family did the "you should go to a hospital, there could be underlying damage'" but, knowing me and how I'd have to be literally at death's door before I'd go to a hospital," just carried on.

Then I got the "if you really were that badly injured you would've gone to hospital" from the so-called friends, one I dumped, her unconcern adding to the litany of reasons for the break up. A couple of months later I needed to see the doctor for my six-montly checkup. He, seeing my face, asked "when diid you break your nose?" which is how I know it was in fact broken along with the cheekbone with the now-permanent scarring. The point in telling of this is that I have enough knowledge of medicine to know when I need professional help. I have gone to the emergency room before when I couldn't fix the problem myself, so I'll know when it's time. Because of this, when the two men were seriously ill with Covid, I carried on doing what needed to do, despite being sick myself, and it's taken months to get back to "normal" but has taken it's toll in making my spring hay fever worse than before, and my memory unreliable. I can't decide whether the cracked skull (the bone is still sensitive to touch) or Covid have made me lose thoughts, or old age, or whether it's a sign of approaching dementia. Again I should be tested, but what's the point? Example: yesterday I wanted to fix something on my DH"s iPad. I went into his room to fetch it, he asked me a question about something else, I can't remember, and then left the iPad because I still can't remember why I wanted it. And my skull still has twinges of pain. There's something there: frontal lobe damage, dementia, brain fog, or I've forgotten what the other cause could be. But, "if you were really worried and it was serious you'd go for help" isn't helpful, it's counter-productive. I tend to fall over a lot now too. So I have walking sticks all over the house: because I forget where I left them when I use them to get up from sitting, or lying down.

Sorry I do waffle on. As you all well know. My son has recovered from his vaccination, now two days later. So one less thing to worry about now I've been reading that the vaccination protection might not last as long as first thought. Do I need to be worried that we won't get a booster shot in time, and the dreaded lockdown will happen again while everyone argues about the efficacy of being vaccinated in the first place?
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3922  Postby zulumoose » Sep 18, 2021 1:51 pm

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Yep. I've just emerged from a bad bout of depression that I realised I needed help when I looked at my life insurance to see if suicide would render it invalid.


I have had that thought quite a few times, it reminds me that I am not there yet, because when I have been closer, I am not capable of making the connection that my death would change things for anyone else, it's like I live in a different universe, an empty one.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3923  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 18, 2021 2:49 pm

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Spearthrower wrote:Just to toss in the other side here though: even if it's only passing and ephemeral or self-serving, that still seems better than suffering a chronic condition which no one ever acknowledges, believes, or gives a damn about!


This too. "Your "fibromyalgia" and agoraphobia are self-serving. You're too lazy to just get up and sort out your weight problem by eating less... blah blah blah"." Apparently fibromyalgia is "all in your head" and anxiety is self-inflicted negative thinking.


Exactly! When you're already struggling right on the precipice, a friend minimalizing or outright denying your experience can feel like that 'friend' is testing to see just how good your balance is. I think real friends and loved ones should all be engaged in a holding action, lending you their weight to keep you from falling. I'd rather have someone clumsy but sincere than no one there at all.

Many invisible conditions have this added component where it really genuinely is all in your head but that doesn't make the pain or other effects any less real. People can't see it, sure, but it's not like anyone is ignorant that pain doesn't only concur with visible harm, so I don't understand how or why people minimalize or question it.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3924  Postby Macdoc » Sep 18, 2021 9:40 pm

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BALTIMORE—A new study released Friday by researchers at Johns Hopkins University revealed that the novel coronavirus Covid-19 was frequently fooled by fake vaccine cards. “We found that when presented with a counterfeit vaccination card, Covid-19 was unable to distinguish it from the real thing approximately 7 out of 10 times,” said researcher Sharon Hirschinger, who noted that the study provided “strong and promising evidence” that the falsified records could provide significant protection against the novel coronavirus when presented by unvaccinated individuals gathering at restaurants, concerts, nightclubs. “It’s easily deceived. Just flash your card and the virus won’t know the difference. In terms of reducing the risk of contracting Covid-19 and experiencing its most severe symptoms, including hospitalization and even death, this study confirms that fake vaccination cards are practically the next best thing to getting vaccinated.”
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3925  Postby Alan C » Sep 19, 2021 12:01 am

I'd just like to get some perspective on some footage of a protest in Victoria. The specific footage I saw was a group of protesters breaking the police line, some of them getting pepper-sprayed in the process.
This was on Twitter and when scrolling through the comments the majority of commenters voiced support for the protestors rather than the police; "they should have just let them walk" "they were boxed in" etc.
I have to say my initial impulse was they probably shouldn't have been doing it anyway and potentially create another superspreader event.
So, wondering how far off my first thoughts are?
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3926  Postby Agrippina » Sep 19, 2021 5:31 am

Spearthrower wrote:
Agrippina wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:Just to toss in the other side here though: even if it's only passing and ephemeral or self-serving, that still seems better than suffering a chronic condition which no one ever acknowledges, believes, or gives a damn about!


This too. "Your "fibromyalgia" and agoraphobia are self-serving. You're too lazy to just get up and sort out your weight problem by eating less... blah blah blah"." Apparently fibromyalgia is "all in your head" and anxiety is self-inflicted negative thinking.


Exactly! When you're already struggling right on the precipice, a friend minimalizing or outright denying your experience can feel like that 'friend' is testing to see just how good your balance is. I think real friends and loved ones should all be engaged in a holding action, lending you their weight to keep you from falling. I'd rather have someone clumsy but sincere than no one there at all.

Many invisible conditions have this added component where it really genuinely is all in your head but that doesn't make the pain or other effects any less real. People can't see it, sure, but it's not like anyone is ignorant that pain doesn't only concur with visible harm, so I don't understand how or why people minimalize or question it.


Then sometimes when you genuinely are seriously injured but know enough how to deal with the injury, and the fear of hospitals its greater than the pain you're experiencing, you get the "if you are really hurting why won't you let us take you to hospital?"

The night before my birthday in 2019, I tripped over an uneven part of the brick paving in our front garden, and landed on my face, breaking facial bones: my nose, my left cheek, and cracking my skull just above my right eye. My youngest daughter-in-law was living with us at the time. The men picked me up when they heard me calling, and she helped me change my clothes, and bathed my superficial wounds. They all stood around telling me about how I needed to go to the emergency room "in case" I'd done serious damage. Agoraphobia caused me to resist saying I was fine, just a bit shocked and that a little brandy and a good night's sleep would make it all better in the morning. I woke up with a blinding headache and two black eyes. The rest of the family were coming to celebrate the birthday the next morning, and the only ones who expressed any sort of concern were the grandchildren who'd never seen a black eye before. The rest of the family did the "you should go to a hospital, there could be underlying damage'" but, knowing me and how I'd have to be literally at death's door before I'd go to a hospital," just carried on.

Then I got the "if you really were that badly injured you would've gone to hospital" from the so-called friends, and one I've since dumped. a couple of months later I needed to see the doctor for my six-montly checkup. He, seeing my face, asked "when diid you break your nose?" which is how I know it was in fact broken along with the cheekbone because of the permanent signs now in place. The point in telling of this is that I have enough knowledge of medicine to know when I need professional help. I have gone to the emergency room before when I couldn't fix the problem myself, so I'll know when it's time. Because of this, when the two men were seriously ill with Covid, I carried on doing what needed to do, despite being sick myself, and it's taken months to get back to "normal" but has taken it's toll in making my spring hay fever worse than before, and my memory unreliable. I can't decide whether the cracked skull (the bone is still sensitive to touch) or Covid have made me lose thoughts, or old age, or whether it's a sign of approaching dementia. Again I should be tested, but what's the point? Example: yesterday I wanted to fix something on my DH"s iPad. I went into his room to fetch it, he asked me a question about something else, I can't remember, and then left the iPad because I still can't remember why I wanted it. And my skull still has twinges of pain. So there's something there: frontal lobe damage, dementia, brain fog, or I've forgotten what the other cause could be. But, "if you were really worried and it was serious you'd go for help" isn't helpful, it's counter-productive. I tend to fall over a lot now too. So I have walking sticks all over the house: because I forget where I left them when I use them to get up from sitting, or lying down.

Sorry I do waffle on. As you all well know.

ETA: I meant to ask about something I read yesterday that the vaccination might not offer protection for as long as first thought. Should I be worried that we get a booster shot in time, or is this not true. I dread the thought of going back to total lockdown again.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3927  Postby Agrippina » Sep 19, 2021 5:53 am

Alan C wrote:I'd just like to get some perspective on some footage of a protest in Victoria. The specific footage I saw was a group of protesters breaking the police line, some of them getting pepper-sprayed in the process.
This was on Twitter and when scrolling through the comments the majority of commenters voiced support for the protestors rather than the police; "they should have just let them walk" "they were boxed in" etc.
I have to say my initial impulse was they probably shouldn't have been doing it anyway and potentially create another superspreader event.
So, wondering how far off my first thoughts are?


Yes I agree they shouldn't have been out there created super-spreader infection. I'm paranoid about large crowds of people, Just more than 10 people in a store will send me into nervousness and a need to get in and out as fast as I can, armed with a trolley and using my angry old lady act to "get out of the way" to anyone who comes within 6-feet of me.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3928  Postby Macdoc » Sep 19, 2021 7:21 am

This nonsense about "experimental" is getting old

Experimental? :rolleyes: ...hardly..go to some quality sources

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w


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The big question
Was the science behind the COVID-19 vaccines rushed?

The quick answer
The science behind the new COVID-19 vaccines has not been rushed. In fact, these vaccines are building on decades of scientific research.

The story involves hundreds of people all over the world and highlights the importance of fundamental and applied research. Advancements in our understanding of messenger RNA (mRNA) and its potential for use in medicines, along with the creation of new technologies over the last 30 years, made these vaccines possible. Recent research on coronaviruses, in particular, made these vaccines effective.

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#3929  Postby chango369 » Sep 19, 2021 8:31 pm

Spotted in Charlotte NC.

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#3930  Postby Macdoc » Sep 19, 2021 8:49 pm

took me a minute :D
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#3931  Postby Macdoc » Sep 19, 2021 9:02 pm

0uch
Premier Jason Kenney implored to seek military backup as Alberta health-care system crumbles

'The tank is empty. The well is dry,' states letter from four union leaders
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Dr. Ayesha Khory is pictured in the moments before intubating a COVID-19 patient in an Alberta intensive care unit. Unions representing health-care workers say support from the military and Red Cross is necessary. (AHS)

With Alberta's health-care system "collapsing right in front of our eyes," the leaders of four unions representing thousands of health-care workers are calling on Premier Jason Kenney to ask for help from the military and Red Cross.
"There are no more nurses in our province who can be deployed. There are no more paramedics. There are no more respiratory therapists. There are no more support staff," states the Sept. 18 letter to Kenney, which implores him to make a formal request for help from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
"The tank is empty. The well is dry."
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3932  Postby OlivierK » Sep 19, 2021 9:54 pm

Alan C wrote:I'd just like to get some perspective on some footage of a protest in Victoria. The specific footage I saw was a group of protesters breaking the police line, some of them getting pepper-sprayed in the process.
This was on Twitter and when scrolling through the comments the majority of commenters voiced support for the protestors rather than the police; "they should have just let them walk" "they were boxed in" etc.
I have to say my initial impulse was they probably shouldn't have been doing it anyway and potentially create another superspreader event.
So, wondering how far off my first thoughts are?

I've seen the same Twitter footage/comments. Crowd shouldn't have been gathering and marching anywhere in a lockdown. Police probably should have let them continue down that road rather than box them in. Protestors who charged and assaulted police to break the line deserve everything coming their way. It's Vic Police and COVID-truthers. Why look for good guys? But if you insist on finding good guys, probably the police in this situation.
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#3933  Postby Alan C » Sep 19, 2021 10:11 pm

I guess I would say I didn't support the people acting like that against measures to try reining in a highly contagious disease, however, I was more curious if there were any valid issues raised about police behaviour/reputation there.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3934  Postby Seabass » Sep 23, 2021 6:00 pm



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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3935  Postby hackenslash » Sep 24, 2021 12:24 am

Yup.

And in the UK,too.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3936  Postby The_Piper » Sep 24, 2021 12:58 am

It's tough to beat the growling guy, he's like the Mike Trout of shit-headedness. If you don't know who Mike Trout is, insert Hank Aaron in his place. I don't think growling guy is as good at being a shithead as Babe Ruth was at hitting a baseball though, that's going a bit too far. Spoon Lady et all are some pretty serious contenders to the growling guy. :lol: :picard:

hackenslash wrote:Yup.

And in the UK,too.
Shit-headedness is a global pandemic, but the UK has caught the nutbag variant that's been going around here. It's spread to Canada as well, but hasn't been as widespread there yet, miraculously enough.
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#3937  Postby Macdoc » Sep 24, 2021 1:24 am

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#3938  Postby Tortured_Genius » Sep 24, 2021 1:57 am

The_Piper wrote:It's tough to beat the growling guy, he's like the Mike Trout of shit-headedness. If you don't know who Mike Trout is, insert Hank Aaron in his place. I don't think growling guy is as good at being a shithead as Babe Ruth was at hitting a baseball though, that's going a bit too far. Spoon Lady et all are some pretty serious contenders to the growling guy. :lol: :picard:


I'm not sure where I saw this first - I can't find it on this thread so it's worth (re)posting the ultimate homage to growling guy:
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#3939  Postby Seabass » Sep 24, 2021 5:47 am

Trump supporters are the reason bottles of bleach need "DO NOT DRINK" warnings on them.

https://twitter.com/AAFANational/status/1440403985685303310

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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#3940  Postby Spearthrower » Sep 24, 2021 9:41 am

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