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#1  Postby Sovereign » Feb 01, 2012 6:52 am

I just came across this, a rather scathing expose of the administration.

On a frigid January evening in 2009, a week before his Inauguration, Barack Obama had dinner at the home of George Will, the Washington Post columnist, who had assembled a number of right-leaning journalists to meet the President-elect. Accepting such an invitation was a gesture on Obama’s part that signalled his desire to project an image of himself as a post-ideological politician, a Chicago Democrat eager to forge alliances with conservative Republicans on Capitol Hill. That week, Obama was still working on an Inaugural Address that would call for “an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn-out dogmas that for far too long have strangled our politics.”

Obama sprang coatless from his limousine and headed up the steps of Will’s yellow clapboard house. He was greeted by Will, Michael Barone, David Brooks, Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, Lawrence Kudlow, Rich Lowry, and Peggy Noonan. They were Reaganites all, yet some had paid tribute to Obama during the campaign. Lowry, who is the editor of the National Review, called Obama “the only presidential candidate from either party about whom there is a palpable excitement.” Krauthammer, an intellectual and ornery voice on Fox News and in the pages of the Washington Post, had written that Obama would be “a president with the political intelligence of a Bill Clinton harnessed to the steely self-discipline of a Vladimir Putin,” who would “bestride the political stage as largely as did Reagan.” And Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard and a former aide to Dan Quayle, wrote, “I look forward to Obama’s inauguration with a surprising degree of hope and good cheer.”

Over dinner, Obama searched for points of common ground. He noted that he and Kudlow agreed on a business-investment tax cut. “He loves to deal with both sides of the issue,” Kudlow later wrote. “He revels in the back and forth. And he wants to keep the dialogue going with conservatives.” Obama’s view, shared with many people at the time, was that professional pundits were wrong about American politics. It was a myth, he said, that the two political parties were impossibly divided on the big issues confronting America. The gap was surmountable. Compared with some other Western countries, where Communists and far-right parties sit in the same parliament, the gulf between Democrats and Republicans was narrow.

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#2  Postby quixotecoyote » Feb 01, 2012 7:04 am

i'm four pages in. When does it start to be scathing?
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#3  Postby Sovereign » Feb 01, 2012 2:58 pm

quixotecoyote wrote:i'm four pages in. When does it start to be scathing?


I stated scathing because it paints Obama as not being the progressive he said he was going to be but rather he went in from the get go with a compromising attitude. I admit that scathing is an opinion by me as I'm more a progressive and I voted for Obama hoping he would enact progressive ideals but he really wasn't going to push hard for progressive ideals from the get go.
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#4  Postby Grace » Feb 01, 2012 9:02 pm

There's only so much progressive enactments one man can do in 3 years with so much business wealth Fascism blocking his path.
Here is just SOME of his acomplishments:

Day one:
-- Pay freeze for all staff
-- Enacted lobbying rules

Day two:
-- Began to unravel the policies woven by Bush & Cheney over 8 years.

Day three:
-- Ended global Family Planning restrictions.

Day four & five:
-- Began work on the security and economic slide caused by Wall Street and Bush.

Day six & seven:
-- Made equal pay for equal work an executive order. (Screw ERA ratification -- it's done!)

First month:
-- Stimulus package for 'US' not Wall Street, or 'big corporations.' (Later Newt Gingrich took $1.6 million for himself.)

First 100 days:
-- Overturned Bush's 'Conscience' rules.
-- Making peace with Arabs, and working on Mid-East peace plans.
-- Learning the Russian language
-- Health care/Insurance Bill the closest in 40 years to get passed in either House or Senate.
-- Stem Cell research ban removed by executive order.

First year:
-- Energy-Climate Bill; House passed it, Senate killed it.
-- Nobel Peace prize for work in Egypt, Israel, and Arabia.
-- Copenhagen deal on reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
-- Overhauling Bush's flimsy security prevented Nigerian terrorist from destroying Times Square.

Second year:
-- Signs Small Business Bill into law.
-- Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court.

Third year:
-- Killed Osama Bin Laden
-- Eliminated several other Al-Qaeda leaders
-- Repealed Clinton's Don't Ask Don't Tell.
-- Ended the War in Iraq
-- Began the drawdown of forces from Afghanistan.
-- Recess-appointed Richard Cordray (a major touché to the obstructionist Republican Party).

Fourth year:
-- You can bet your buns I'll be watching!
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#5  Postby mrjonno » Feb 01, 2012 9:37 pm

Day 1 + not be a religious nutcase that prays for the end of the world so he can go up to heaven in blaze of nuclear mushroom clouds.

I know thats not setting standards too high but got to start somewhere
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#6  Postby willhud9 » Feb 01, 2012 10:04 pm

Fucking glad he's not as progressive as I thought he'd be. Our country would be dead economically if so.
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#7  Postby Grace » Feb 01, 2012 10:59 pm

willhud9, I need your sources and facts to back up that statement.
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#8  Postby willhud9 » Feb 01, 2012 11:24 pm

Grace wrote:willhud9, I need your sources and facts to back up that statement.


It's common sense from what I know about most progressive policies.

In order to enact many of the policies it would cost a ton of money, money the US does not have. So the only way to pay for the policies is with IOU funds and loans from foreign nations. That does nothing of getting our country out of debt.

Now, unless you know progressive policies that wouldn't cost the government a dime to enact, the solution at the moment is to focus on recovering our broken economy. If the government keeps favouring big business and multi-billion dollar bailouts to the auto industry than our economy is going to remain broken.

Name one progressive policy Obama wants enacted that I'd support and I'll be surprised.
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#9  Postby Mojzu » Feb 01, 2012 11:54 pm

willhud9 wrote:
Grace wrote:willhud9, I need your sources and facts to back up that statement.


It's common sense from what I know about most progressive policies.

In order to enact many of the policies it would cost a ton of money, money the US does not have. So the only way to pay for the policies is with IOU funds and loans from foreign nations. That does nothing of getting our country out of debt.

Now, unless you know progressive policies that wouldn't cost the government a dime to enact, the solution at the moment is to focus on recovering our broken economy. If the government keeps favouring big business and multi-billion dollar bailouts to the auto industry than our economy is going to remain broken.

Name one progressive policy Obama wants enacted that I'd support and I'll be surprised.


Most progressive policies include cutting a great deal of expenses, such as military, prisons and/or oil + gas subsidies. They do also involve investments in many areas, but in areas which produce actual jobs in the country such as infrastructure and education. Progressive plans often beat most republican plans when it comes to deficit reduction and balancing the budget, as they include tougher cuts to many programs and new revenue streams, I think there was a story on TYT a while ago about how a progressive plan by Bernie Sanders in conjunction with other groups would reduce the deficit at a much more rapid rate then even the biggest cuts the republicans fought for.
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#10  Postby GT2211 » Feb 02, 2012 3:05 am

willhud9 wrote:
Grace wrote:willhud9, I need your sources and facts to back up that statement.


It's common sense from what I know about most progressive policies.
Precisely what is common sense? That most make the economy worse? That you think it is common sense hardly makes it so and is need of support.
In order to enact many of the policies it would cost a ton of money, money the US does not have. So the only way to pay for the policies is with IOU funds and loans from foreign nations. That does nothing of getting our country out of debt.
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Now, unless you know progressive policies that wouldn't cost the government a dime to enact, the solution at the moment is to focus on recovering our broken economy. If the government keeps favouring big business and multi-billion dollar bailouts to the auto industry than our economy is going to remain broken.

-Fixing the goal of the broken economy is precisely the goal of many of the progressive policies
-How is that deficit reduction working out for the UK economy?....Hmmm...Spain? Greece?
-IDK if you noticed or not, but the auto industry is doing pretty well... Plus the auto industry failing would've cost millions of jobs and almost every country supported their auto industry during the crisis. IDK of anyone who was seriously considering letting it go belly up(contrary to Mitt Romney's claims, his managed bankruptcy plan was nearly identical to the one he was criticizing Obama for)
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#11  Postby MarkP80 » Feb 02, 2012 3:12 am

Sovereign wrote:
quixotecoyote wrote:i'm four pages in. When does it start to be scathing?


I stated scathing because it paints Obama as not being the progressive he said he was going to be but rather he went in from the get go with a compromising attitude. I admit that scathing is an opinion by me as I'm more a progressive and I voted for Obama hoping he would enact progressive ideals but he really wasn't going to push hard for progressive ideals from the get go.

Thing is,I don't think he ever said he was that progressive.
I think he always ran on compromise.

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#12  Postby Warren Dew » Feb 02, 2012 5:49 am

willhud9 wrote:Fucking glad he's not as progressive as I thought he'd be. Our country would be dead economically if so.

Instead, we're only almost dead?
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#13  Postby mrjonno » Feb 02, 2012 9:38 am

Warren Dew wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Fucking glad he's not as progressive as I thought he'd be. Our country would be dead economically if so.

Instead, we're only almost dead?


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#14  Postby Horwood Beer-Master » Feb 02, 2012 2:58 pm

GT2211 wrote:...How is that deficit reduction working out for the UK economy?..

Shit. Thanks for asking.

mrjonno wrote:...The only thing that is dead is unregulated, unrestricted capitalism which is not only dead by buried


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#15  Postby trubble76 » Feb 02, 2012 3:03 pm

willhud9 wrote:
Grace wrote:willhud9, I need your sources and facts to back up that statement.


It's common sense from what I know about most progressive policies.

In order to enact many of the policies it would cost a ton of money, money the US does not have. So the only way to pay for the policies is with IOU funds and loans from foreign nations. That does nothing of getting our country out of debt.

Now, unless you know progressive policies that wouldn't cost the government a dime to enact, the solution at the moment is to focus on recovering our broken economy. If the government keeps favouring big business and multi-billion dollar bailouts to the auto industry than our economy is going to remain broken.

Name one progressive policy Obama wants enacted that I'd support and I'll be surprised.


The richest country in the world can't afford progressive policies, but less wealthy countries can?
How do you work that one out?
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#16  Postby FreshwaterSeaCowHero » Feb 02, 2012 3:10 pm

OP, It kinda seems that you are trying to make this sound like a scandal or something.
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#17  Postby Sovereign » Feb 02, 2012 3:32 pm

FreshwaterSeaCowHero wrote:OP, It kinda seems that you are trying to make this sound like a scandal or something.


I admitted my personal feelings influenced my assessment of this piece and should have realized that not everyone would have taken it like I did.
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#18  Postby Grace » Feb 02, 2012 5:43 pm

Fact: GM received stimulus money to put Americans back to work. GM has paid back most of that stimulus money, and now... they are the top auto maker IN THE WORLD!

You Obama haters need to stop watching FOX news and tune into something like MSNBC chanel 128 to get your facts straight.
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#19  Postby Paul G » Feb 03, 2012 9:23 pm

Fucking hell Will, does it ever stop?

I liked this bit.

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#20  Postby willhud9 » Feb 03, 2012 11:39 pm

trubble76 wrote:
willhud9 wrote:
Grace wrote:willhud9, I need your sources and facts to back up that statement.


It's common sense from what I know about most progressive policies.

In order to enact many of the policies it would cost a ton of money, money the US does not have. So the only way to pay for the policies is with IOU funds and loans from foreign nations. That does nothing of getting our country out of debt.

Now, unless you know progressive policies that wouldn't cost the government a dime to enact, the solution at the moment is to focus on recovering our broken economy. If the government keeps favouring big business and multi-billion dollar bailouts to the auto industry than our economy is going to remain broken.

Name one progressive policy Obama wants enacted that I'd support and I'll be surprised.


The richest country in the world can't afford progressive policies, but less wealthy countries can?
How do you work that one out?


How exactly are we wealthy? Or is my country's debt obsolete? Cool. If the US government can just ignore debt and get away with it, than I am going to tell my parents too stop struggling to pay their mortgage, credit cards, and other loans since "hey, the government can fucking get away with it, why can't they?"
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