The War on Christmas 2010

trubble76 · **#81** by **trubble76** » Nov 16, 2010 10:18 am

CIS wrote:
trubble76 wrote:I fucking despise the thing the word represents, but that's my problem, I don't expect anyone to have to do anything about it.

As in the birth of Jesus or all that fluffy festive and commercial crap? Or both?

Both, but the commercialism is admittedly more of an intrusion.

Paul G · **#82** by **Paul G** » Nov 16, 2010 10:37 am

As an atheist and scrooge I'm still happy to say Merry Christmas. I don't care if it has religous connotations, so does Easter.

NineOneFour · **#83** by **NineOneFour** » Nov 16, 2010 12:35 pm

CIS wrote:Why is it that when it comes to the Christmas season, America (the more Christian religious nation), tends to shy away from recognizing Christmas publicly, while in the UK there is no problem seen in referencing the holiday?

Is the USA simply more "politically correct" than the UK? Is the USA simply more mindful of the diversity of its people that do not celebrate Christmas (even though about 96% of Americans do)?

Let me show an example of what I'm talking about. Apple, an American company, has set up a "Gift Guide" on its website. For their US site it's called a "Holiday Gift Guide", but for the UK site it's a "Christmas Gift Guide":

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/campai ... Tk3NTgwMzU (US site)
http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/campai ... Tk3NTgwMzU (UK site)

Anyone care to comment on why this small but significant cultural difference occurs between the countries?

The UK doesn't have very many batshit insane fucks trying to inject religion into everyone's face, so saying "Christmas" is ok with everyone.

Paul G · **#84** by **Paul G** » Nov 16, 2010 12:39 pm

All my hindu and sikh friends celebrate christmas. Trees and all.

cursuswalker · **#85** by **cursuswalker** » Nov 21, 2010 9:05 pm

The Ninjas of the Scrooge Jihad wish to announce the commencement of the 2010 Campaign on Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?id=13 ... 6656619226

Emmeline · **#86** by **Emmeline** » Nov 21, 2010 10:45 pm

I like Christmas but not for any faith reasons.

It's entirely possible to enjoy a midwinter festival without invoking any spirits or muttering any prayers to "imaginary friends". The majority of the UK population do just that. They decorate their houses with evergreens, they exchange gifts, they support charity cards and they spend time with their families and friends. The vast majority of them won't go near a church or commit their lives to the rules in a book they've barely read.

Most of the Christian "traditions" have earlier or later origins and have nothing to do with a "Christ-child" cult. Not that I abhor that story - it's a great story but it's only that. Most UK people take it as just a story and they enjoy it at that level. However, there seems to be a growing tide of Christians who are frightened by the increased agnosticism (or apathy?) of UK citizens and they are determined to push the supernatural elements of the story as though they were real. I doubt they'll have much influence on the general population and if we can keep all the "cultural Christian" aspect of Christmas while rejecting or ignoring the fairy tale bits as "truth", we'll be able to keep enjoying the traditional seasonal holiday without supporting the political movement to oversee our schools and relationships.

CIS · **#87** by **CIS** » Nov 23, 2010 4:08 am

VOTE: Christmas vs. holiday

MSNBC has put a poll out to the public asking whether the word "Christmas" should be used in holiday marketing for retailers and other public companies.

Current amount of votes: 28,962

Yes, Christmas — 91%
No, only "holiday" — 9%

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40260889/ ... umer_news/

What's your vote and why? Non-Americans will have no idea what I'm talking about :naughty2:

BrandySpears · **#88** by **BrandySpears** » Nov 23, 2010 4:48 am

I voted YES.

Why? The same reason I'm not offended by "Thursday". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thursday

Simon_Gardner · **#89** by **Simon_Gardner** » Nov 23, 2010 7:30 am

I find Thursday grossly offensive.

DoctorE · **#90** by **DoctorE** » Nov 25, 2010 10:47 am

The "war" is on..

cursuswalker · **#91** by **cursuswalker** » Nov 25, 2010 3:32 pm

DoctorE wrote:The "war" is on..

Deck the halls with boughs of napalm!

Apollonius · **#92** by **Apollonius** » Nov 25, 2010 4:06 pm

The first war on Christmas in the US was Pilgrims banning it for 22 years..

http://therealhistoryofgod.com/?p=16

MoonLit · **#93** by **MoonLit** » Nov 26, 2010 12:25 am

CIS wrote:VOTE: Christmas vs. holiday

MSNBC has put a poll out to the public asking whether the word "Christmas" should be used in holiday marketing for retailers and other public companies.

Current amount of votes: 28,962

Yes, Christmas — 91%
No, only "holiday" — 9%

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40260889/ ... umer_news/

What's your vote and why? Non-Americans will have no idea what I'm talking about

While that is a shame, no big deal. I'll still be saying "Happy Holidays" first, unless someone says "Merry Christmas" to me first. "Happy Holidays" just sounds more welcoming and not forced, imo.

cursuswalker · **#94** by **cursuswalker** » Nov 26, 2010 8:15 am

This is a war that is spreading. A few years back no one in the UK gave an arse about saying Christmas, but the false victim mentality of the evangelicals is enough to make any reasonable person want to nuke a santa's grotto.

Tyrannical · **#95** by **Tyrannical** » Nov 26, 2010 9:28 am

The best way to protest Christmas is to volunteer to work on that day

cursuswalker · **#96** by **cursuswalker** » Nov 26, 2010 9:33 am

Tyrannical wrote:The best way to protest Christmas is to volunteer to work on that day

Bank Holiday is holiday

Simon_Gardner · **#97** by **Simon_Gardner** » Nov 27, 2010 6:15 am

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3248303/Eric-Pickles-tells-councils-to-reintroduce-Christian-values-to-Christmas-tradition.html

Simon_Gardner · **#98** by **Simon_Gardner** » Nov 27, 2010 6:16 am

http://www.northjersey.com/community/religion/Atheists_ad_blitz_calls_Christmas_a_myth.html

Tyrannical · **#99** by **Tyrannical** » Nov 27, 2010 6:20 am

cursuswalker wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:The best way to protest Christmas is to volunteer to work on that day

Bank Holiday is holiday

And Holiday has it's etymology derived from Holy Day. Atheists should be terribly upset that they are forced to acknowledge Holy Days by not working :lol:

I'll let you take December 23rd off to celebrate Festivus though

And if you cook me Christmas dinner you can have Boxing day off too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus

cursuswalker · **#100** by **cursuswalker** » Nov 27, 2010 9:24 am

Simon_Gardner wrote:http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3248303/Eric-Pickles-tells-councils-to-reintroduce-Christian-values-to-Christmas-tradition.html

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