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Re: Top Irish Catholic faces new abuse cover-up claims

#21  Postby Animavore » May 03, 2012 9:40 am

There were a group in the part who shut religious organisations down. Communists I think they were called.
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Re: Top Irish Catholic faces new abuse cover-up claims

#22  Postby chairman bill » May 03, 2012 9:44 am

mrjonno wrote:
chairman bill wrote:It's about time the Catholic Church was made a proscribed organisation & shut down. Its UK wealth can help pay the debt. Or more likely, get given to the rich as tax breaks.


I wouldnt want the UK to be the first country to do so we sort of have bad protestant /catholic relations in the past that might get brought out


OK. To keep it fair, let's close down the Church of England too.
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#23  Postby mrjonno » May 03, 2012 10:05 am

Church of England keeps christianity weak and liberal in this country, bad idea to get rid of it
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#24  Postby archibald » May 04, 2012 9:14 am

On a side note, I thought the documentary was very well put together, in cinematic terms. Particularly when in Donegal, the cameraman seemed to capture wonderfully well the extreme beauty of the place, and this reinforced the sense of tragedy, where the phrase 'deserted Atlantic beach' starts to describe not something essentially unspoilt, but a good place to secretly rape a little boy.

Personally I can't see how Brady can stay in his post. If he's allowed to stay, it's arguably a sad reflection on Irish society.
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Re: Top Irish Catholic faces new abuse cover-up claims

#25  Postby Animavore » May 04, 2012 9:23 am

A WOMAN, who was sexually abused as a child by paedophile priest Brendan Smyth, today called for a criminal investigation into the actions of Cardinal Sean Brady.

American lawyer Helen McGonigle, (50) who now campaigns for survivors of clerical sexual abuse, said the All Ireland Primate should resign for not alerting other families to Smyth’s horrific catalogue of abuse.

She was molested by Smyth in the late 1960s in Rhode Island, New York.

Speaking to BBC Radio Ulster today, Ms McGonigle said she was "outraged" by Cardinal Brady's response to allegations in a BBC documentary broadcast this week.

She said Cardinal Sean Brady's "duty as a human" was to protect children and his failure to act properly on Brendan Boland's complaint – when he named other five other children being abused - was "unforgivable".



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#26  Postby Animavore » May 04, 2012 9:33 am

ONE of Ireland’s most conservative and respected Catholic theologians has said that Cardinal Sean Brady has lost his moral authority and should resign.

Fr Vincent Twomey has pleaded with the church to reexamine its role and asked where is the humanity to connect with the pain of children who have been abused.

The retired Professor of Moral Theology at Maynooth, told Primetime on RTE 1, that there were issues about the failure to alert parents to other victims of paedophile priest Brendan Smyth, that the church must address.

“For the good of the church, it is really tragic, but I’m afraid I am of the opinion that he should resign,” he said.
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If he's not gone by the end of next week I'll be very surprised.

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#27  Postby Scot Dutchy » May 04, 2012 1:47 pm

@Ani

That is very optimistic I am afraid.

The documentry was very good. My take on the rcc in Ireland since the last time I have been there (last year) is the churches are emtying. Most people I talked to did not have a real meaning. The religious ones just did not believe it. There is a sort of numbness. People have been so indoctrinated going cold turkey is proving to be difficult.

Kenny is trying to get the rcc out of its last foothold (education) but they are proving to be very stubborn.
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#28  Postby John P. M. » May 04, 2012 3:24 pm

Anyone seen the video "Louis CK learns about the Catholic Church"? :shifty:
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#29  Postby Onyx8 » May 04, 2012 4:12 pm

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#30  Postby Scot Dutchy » May 04, 2012 4:15 pm

Sorry I dont find that funny or amusing one bit. It is done in real bad taste.
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#31  Postby Onyx8 » May 04, 2012 4:18 pm

That was the point.
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#32  Postby Scot Dutchy » May 04, 2012 4:26 pm

US lawyer abused by Brendan Smyth says Seán Brady should be criminally investigated


Helen McGonigle, an US lawyer who was abused by Fr Brendan Smyth in the 1960s, has called on Cardinal Seán Brady to resign.

Ms McGonigle called for a public criminal investigation into the matter and for the Cardinal to be prosecuted if there is evidence that he failed to report crimes to the police.

The BBC documentary, "The Shame of the Catholic Church", claimed that Cardinal Brady did not pass on information about abuse to families of children involved.

Speaking on RTÉ's News at One, Ms McGonigle accused Cardinal Brady of only thinking in terms of canon law.

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#33  Postby redwhine » May 08, 2012 2:35 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:Sorry I dont find that funny or amusing one bit. It is done in real bad taste.


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