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Re: Tory Party watch

#2641  Postby ronmcd » Nov 20, 2015 12:28 pm

ED209 wrote:
'Socialism with an ipad' makes me really sad that scot dutchy is currently unavailable to comment :coffee:

Marble in an empty drum, Michael Foot, jumpers for goalposts. Etc.[/scot]
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2642  Postby ED209 » Nov 20, 2015 12:33 pm

Socialism with a kobo :coffee:



(a kobo glo actually is better than a kindle paperwhite, although not to a life-transforming extent)
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2643  Postby ED209 » Nov 20, 2015 1:01 pm

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Alan B wrote:Just had an email from 38 degrees.
There might not be an election for a while, but being registered matters right now. The government is cutting the number of MPs and basing the cuts on how many people are registered - not actual population. So fewer people registered here could mean Birmingham loses out.

And if that wasn’t enough, not being registered to vote could also impact your credit rating. [3] This can make ordinary things like getting a phone contract, a credit card or buying a car more difficult.

https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/keep-your-vote
The government has recently switched to a new system of registering to vote, called "Individual Electoral Registration". The deadline for people to register under the new system is November 20th. Most people have been automatically registered - but an estimated 1.9 million people are still not registered and will be deleted from the register without their knowledge.

How does that work? If they are not on the register, by what criteria can they be deleted?
Seems like a bit of sharp practice going on here or maybe some misunderstanding. :dunno:

I voted at the last election. How can I be de-registered?


I'm not certain of the details but from what I've heard, if you were previously only registered under the household system (i.e. you didn't register individually online within the last year) and the government cannot verify your registration from tax records national insurance number etc. at your current address, then you get deleted. It's most likely to affect young people, renters, students.
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Hmm, students you say?

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Re: Tory Party watch

#2644  Postby catbasket » Nov 20, 2015 1:43 pm

Please tell me that's a fake. I mean, sixty pence for that rag? NFW!
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2645  Postby mattthomas » Nov 20, 2015 1:44 pm

catbasket wrote:Please tell me that's a fake. I mean, sixty pence for that rag? NFW!

Well it is the "news" paper of fear... all that red ink costs a fucking fortune!
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2646  Postby THWOTH » Nov 20, 2015 2:23 pm

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ED209 wrote:

It makes one wonder whether the tories' supporters will ever tire of their staggering economic incompetence.



Luckily for them, any alternative means Foot, Marxism, and a silly beard...

And a 'Chairman Mao-style bicycle.' Let's not forget that. ;)
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2647  Postby ED209 » Nov 20, 2015 2:26 pm

Hmm those handlebar horns are a definite throwback to the 90s.

It's been a new labour-style bicycle all along :ahrr:
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2648  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 21, 2015 2:52 am

Failed Tory MP Esther McVey Gets A Taxpayer Funded Job From One Of Her Tory Cronies ...

Former Tory minister Esther McVey has landed a £530-a-day, taxpayer funded job, just six months after being booted out as an MP.She’s been appointed Chair of the British Transport Police Authority (BTPA) by her former colleague Transport Minister Patrick McLaughlin.

The £32,000 job requires her to work just 60 days a year.

The Conservative welfare slasher and ex-TV presenter will juggle that job with an ‘advisory role’ at lobbyists Hume Brophy.
Hume Trophy’s clients have included the National Federation of Retail Newsagents, on whose behalf they sent letters to MPs urging them to oppose a ban on the display of tobacco products in shops.

They were unsuccessful.


Also from the article:

When the voters of the Wirral booted the woman we call McVile out of Parliament, they were expressing the feelings of right-thinking people across the UK.

It is an insult toe the British people that Transport Minister Patrick McLaughlin is forcing the public to pay her salary again in an act of favouritism that should see him ejected from his own office (but probably won’t).

Not only that, but she has also taken a job with a lobbying firm, proving that the Conservative Party has done nothing at all to curb the power of such companies to sway government policy. The Transparency of Lobbying Act was about restricting trade unions and political campaigners, not commercial lobbyists at all.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2649  Postby chairman bill » Nov 21, 2015 7:01 pm

It's called cronyism, but maybe more properly 'corruption'. A bit like May and her policy direction that supports private sector security companies like G4S. Not that her husband's business involvement with G4S is profiting from May's position as Home Secretary, except that it is. Fucking Tory crooks.
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#2650  Postby Strontium Dog » Nov 21, 2015 8:27 pm

chairman bill wrote:It's called cronyism, but maybe more properly 'corruption'.


When the BTPA was created in 2004, the trades unionist Alistair Graham was appointed as its chairman by Alistair Darling.

Would you describe that as cronyism and corruption, or does that only apply when the crony being appointed is affiliated to the Tories rather than Labour?
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2651  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 21, 2015 10:25 pm

Well since Alastair Graham was also at the time the Chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, a role that I suspect he didn't get through corruption of the sort being discussed here, and ended his formal connections with the Trades Union Movement all the way back in 1986, when he stepped down as General Secretary of the Civil and Public Services Association, I somehow think your attempt to erect a fake "symmetry" here is precisely that. Oh, and you can factor in here that he subsequently served as Chief Executive of two different Training and Enterprise Councils, being appointed thereto during periods of Conservative administration. He had also been for four years prior to the role with the BTPA, been Chairman of the Police Complaints Authority, so he had some background in police administration before moving to the BTPA. Whereas the only relevant "experience" McVey appears to have, is with private security firms not answerable to Parliament.

Furthermore, if one looks at the rest of the BTPA Committee members, the Deputy Chairman is a former serving policeman of 31 years' service, rising to the rank of Divisional Commander, and serving as a Royal Protection Officer before moving to the current role. Another member is a former Chair of Audit at the Scottish Procurator Fiscal's Office, and another is a Chair of the Police Advisory Board for England and Wales. The rest, on the other hand, appear to be Tory placemen drawn from privatised rail industries.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2652  Postby chairman bill » Nov 21, 2015 10:47 pm

Now Cali, them's just facts
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2653  Postby Emmeline » Nov 22, 2015 10:37 am

Brilliant piece by Will Hutton here:

Everything we hold dear is being cut to the bone. Weep for our country
George Osborne knows he is politically free to do what he wants at Wednesday’s autumn statement: Labour offers no substantive intellectual or political opposition.
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The Conservatives’ choice is driven by a refusal to see any merit in public activity: in their worldview, the point of life and the purpose of civilisation is to celebrate and protect the private individual, the private firm and private property. The state should be as small as possible. It has no role, say, in owning Channel 4 to secure public service broadcasting; it will be privatised with scant care about its ultimate owner. Equally, there was no point in holding the 40% stake in Eurostar, forecast to generate more than £700m in dividends over the next decade and a good payback for £3bn of public investment. Thus it was sold for £757m in March, the government concerned to get the sale through before the general election. You could only proclaim a £2.25bn loss on the public balance sheet and the surrender of £700m of dividends as a “fantastic deal for UK taxpayers”, as Osborne did, if you see zero value in public activity.

It is this philosophy that will drive the choices to be laid out on Wednesday. The spending of the so-called protected departments – the £189bn spent this year on the NHS, schools for five- to 16-year-olds, aid and defence – will rise in cash terms in line with inflation, but only to buy the same in 2019-20 as it does today, an unprecedented decade-long freeze in real terms. The block grants to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland will be hit slightly harder, protected only in cash terms, implying, after adjusting for inflation, a small real fall. The axe therefore has to fall on what is left – £77bn of spending by 15 departments along with non-school spending.

So if we take the summer budget and Office of Budget Responsibility economic forecasts as the baseline (both may change) – and there are no new tax increases – to meet his target, the chancellor has to find £22bn of cuts from this £77bn, crucial areas of our national life that have already cumulatively been cut by 30% since 2010.

As the Resolution Trust points out, seven of the smaller departments have settled for 21% cuts, which leaves the big five – Business, Communities and Local Government, Justice, the Home Office and non-schools education – to bear the brunt. This can only mean the de facto wind-up of the Department for Business as a pro-active department, further shrinkage of the criminal justice system (mitigated by prison sell-offs), local government reduced to a husk and the knell of further education. Meanwhile, the cuts in welfare will hit the wellbeing of millions, including their children. Expect on top a firesale of government assets – from housing associations to Channel 4.

Is this wanted, necessary or appropriate for these profoundly troubled times? I think it’s a first-order category error and that in 2015 the need – whether protection from terrorism or the promotion of innovation and investment – is for complex collaborative action between a properly resourced, agile public sector and a private sector in desperate need of remoralising and repurposing. There is no magic in a 36% state. But as Osborne knows, he is politically free to do what he wants. The leadership of the Labour party offers no substantive intellectual or political opposition, nor represents a potential governing coalition, nor, wedded to a bankrupt simplistic top-down statism, understands the complexities of these new times. Rarely has the principal opposition party been so irrelevant at a time of national need. All that is left is noises off – the odd newspaper editorial or column and civil society and business beginning to stir as they experience the impact. Weep for our country.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2654  Postby Strontium Dog » Nov 22, 2015 4:31 pm

Calilasseia wrote:Well since Alastair Graham was also at the time the Chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, a role that I suspect he didn't get through corruption of the sort being discussed here, and ended his formal connections with the Trades Union Movement all the way back in 1986, when he stepped down as General Secretary of the Civil and Public Services Association, I somehow think your attempt to erect a fake "symmetry" here is precisely that.


What fake symmetry? Labour appointed a Labour man. The Tories have appointed a Tory woman. Seems pretty symmetrical to me, except for the fact that the Tories are appointing another woman wheres Labour went with jobs for the boys.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2655  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 22, 2015 5:41 pm

Except that Graham wasn't appointed on a palm-greasing basis like McVey.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2656  Postby Strontium Dog » Nov 22, 2015 6:30 pm

So you claim, without a shred of evidence whatsoever.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2657  Postby OlivierK » Nov 22, 2015 10:46 pm

Will Hutton wrote:The leadership of the Labour party offers no substantive intellectual or political opposition, nor represents a potential governing coalition, nor, wedded to a bankrupt simplistic top-down statism, understands the complexities of these new times.

Does Hutton truly believe that Labour under Corbyn is "wedded to a bankrupt simplistic top-down statism"? More worrying for his credibility, does he think that accusation does not apply even more starkly to the Tories?

It's true that Labour seem bent on rejecting the SNP support that could put them in minority government with as few as 20 seats changing hands, but it's not actually up to them whether they get the SNP's support, it's up to the SNP, who have indicated that they would support any non-Tory government.

Labour have just elected a leadership who stood on non-Toryism, soundly trouncing those who sought to broaden Labour's appeal to Tory voters. You can say what you like about the prospects of that strategy, but claiming that it offers no substantive intellectual or political opposition to the Tories seems at odds with reality.

Even more troubling for the "Osborne can do as he pleases" argument is the evidence that, given the minuscule majority held by the Tories, it's not even a given that Osborne can summon a majority at will from within his own party, as we've already seen.
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#2658  Postby Calilasseia » Nov 23, 2015 2:01 pm

Strontium Dog wrote:So you claim, without a shred of evidence whatsoever.


Ha ha ha ha. Did Graham own a private security firm profiting from political favours from the Labour Party? Er, no. Not that facts such as this will get in the way of Tory apologetics.

Meanwhile, here's yet another example of Tory sleaze for everyone to marvel at:

Tory Minister Robert Halfon Charges Taxpayer £30,000 For 'Secret Meetings' With Mistress

A Conservative minister charged taxpayers tens of thousands of pounds to stay at a private members club where he would allegedly meet his mistress.

Robert Halfon, who suffers from a form of cerebral palsy, claimed more than £30,000 in expenses to stay at the East India Club from 2010 to 2014.

The minister is allowed to claim for overnight accommodation, despite living within a commutable distance from Westminster, due to his disability.

East India, Devonshire, Sports and Public schools’ club has an annual fee of £1,000 and it costs up to £267 per night for a suite.

Mr Halfon admitted last week that he cheated on his partner, after allegations of blackmail. It has been reported that a Tory party aide, Mark Clarke, attempted to obtain photos of Mr Halfon leaving the East India Club with the woman, to allegedly blackmail the minister without portfolio.


Now it doesn't take much imagining to work out what the Daily Mail would have to say if your average disability benefit claimant tried the same trick. Out would come all the usual Toryscum propaganda about "scroungers" and "feckless, workshy parasites".

But apparently, it's perfectly all right for a Tory MP to do this, because we're all in this together, or something.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2659  Postby Sendraks » Nov 23, 2015 2:36 pm

Oooh, a good old Tory sleaze sex scandal. Its like the early 90s again.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#2660  Postby Strontium Dog » Nov 23, 2015 4:17 pm

Calilasseia wrote:
Strontium Dog wrote:So you claim, without a shred of evidence whatsoever.


Ha ha ha ha. Did Graham own a private security firm profiting from political favours from the Labour Party? Er, no. Not that facts such as this will get in the way of Tory apologetics.


Insinuations are not evidence. Pointing this out is not apologetics.
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