mrjonno wrote:But who in the other parties would be insane enough to do this job?

It's impossible to invoke Brexit in a way half the country wants without the other half wanting to assassinate you , not to mention bankrupt the country

The problem is the children, ie the electorate they need to grow up fast

Corbyn would jump at the chance, only problem is that he is hundreds of thousands of votes away from an overall majority and incapable of delivering the kind of Brexit the SNP would tolerate.

Corbyn (or anyone else) is incapable of deliver the brexit anyone wants without bankrupting the country.

It's very simple its freedom of movement or bankruptcy
It's sharing of sovereignty or bankruptcy
It's accepting the UK is not big enough to be 'independent' in any real sense

Is any politician brave enough to tell the children this?

mrjonno wrote:Corbyn (or anyone else) is incapable of deliver the brexit anyone wants without bankrupting the country.

It's very simple its freedom of movement or bankruptcy
It's sharing of sovereignty or bankruptcy
It's accepting the UK is not big enough to be 'independent' in any real sense

Is any politician brave enough to tell the children this?

More accurately:

Corbyn (or anyone else) is incapable of deliver the brexit anyone wants without damaging the economy.

It's very simple its freedom of movement or economic damage
It's sharing of sovereignty or economic damage
It's accepting the UK is not big enough to be 'independent' in any real sense

Is any politician brave enough to tell the children this?

A country is only truely independent is i in no way relies on other countries to function, the second you buy a laptop made elsewhere we cease to be independent

No bankruptcy is more accurate than economic damage, take austerity and multiple it by a 100 and that's brexit. Brexit = end of the NHS

mrjonno wrote:A country is only truely independent is i in no way relies on other countries to function, the second you buy a laptop made elsewhere we cease to be independent

Okeydokey then, so no country is independent.

So what THE FUCK relevance does your "not big enough to be 'independent' in any real sense" bollocks mean then, since you don't think ANY country is independent in any case?

The US is effectively independent, or at least could be if it wanted to . It would be a lot poorer through
Maybe Russia too, it would be a complete shit heap bu could just about cope

Apart from that no country is really independent, you merely have some choice over who you are dependent on.
Scotland might well be better of being dependent on the EU and the rest of the world rather than England for example

mrjonno wrote:The US is effectively independent, or at least could be if it wanted to . It would be a lot poorer through
Maybe Russia too, it would be a complete shit heap bu could just about cope

Apart from that no country is really independent, you merely have some choice over who you are dependent on.
Scotland might well be better of being dependent on the EU and the rest of the world rather than England for example

Dont Americans buy laptops made elsewhere too?

It's you that says these contradictory things, you do realise that?

ronmcd wrote:

mrjonno wrote:The US is effectively independent, or at least could be if it wanted to . It would be a lot poorer through
Maybe Russia too, it would be a complete shit heap bu could just about cope

Apart from that no country is really independent, you merely have some choice over who you are dependent on.
Scotland might well be better of being dependent on the EU and the rest of the world rather than England for example

Dont Americans buy laptops made elsewhere too?

American could make everything it needed within its borders, it would be more expensive and it would serious hurt their living standards but they could do it


Everyone else forget it (well maybe a few Amazon tribes could declare independence)

mrjonno wrote:

ronmcd wrote:

mrjonno wrote:The US is effectively independent, or at least could be if it wanted to . It would be a lot poorer through
Maybe Russia too, it would be a complete shit heap bu could just about cope

Apart from that no country is really independent, you merely have some choice over who you are dependent on.
Scotland might well be better of being dependent on the EU and the rest of the world rather than England for example

Dont Americans buy laptops made elsewhere too?

American could make everything it needed within its borders, it would be more expensive and it would serious hurt their living standards but they could do it


Everyone else forget it (well maybe a few Amazon tribes could declare independence)

So ... theyre not independent then, by your definition.

Your definition is madness.

It's the dictionary definition

adjective
1.
not influenced or controlled by others in matters of opinion, conduct, etc.; thinking or acting for oneself:
an independent thinker.
2.
not subject to another's authority or jurisdiction; autonomous; free:
an independent businessman.
3.
not influenced by the thought or action of others:
independent research.

mrjonno wrote:It's the dictionary definition

adjective
1.
not influenced or controlled by others in matters of opinion, conduct, etc.; thinking or acting for oneself:
an independent thinker.
2.
not subject to another's authority or jurisdiction; autonomous; free:
an independent businessman.
3.
not influenced by the thought or action of others:
independent research.

Yes.

And?

No country is independent?

Social housing was not built under the Conservative-led coalition because of fears it would ‘create Labour voters’, according to Nick Clegg.

The former deputy prime minister claimed the theory prevented government officials from building homes.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/17/tories-di ... z4kOTMvkIR

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/17/tories-did-not-build-new-social-housing-over-fears-it-would-create-labour-voters-says-nick-clegg-6715800/

Meanwhile, a Tory councillor tries to blame the Grenfell Tower residents for their own deaths ...

Scumbag.

Tory ministers congratulated each other over binning fire safety regulations because they "hurt money making businesses" ...

No polls recently. I'm guessing Tory Party ratings are soon to be bouncing along the bottom.

It's fine, Tories don't even need to win elections to take power now.

Exclusive: David Davis tipped to become the next Conservative leader by Boris Johnson's allies as Theresa May's ministers refuse to back her

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ve-leader/

Huh. Boris's allies, eh? Wink wink, nudge nudge. Boris in six months time : hey, I didn't bring her down, it was Davis, the bastard. But now she's been removed, I'm clearly the best oaf for the job ...

ronmcd wrote:

Exclusive: David Davis tipped to become the next Conservative leader by Boris Johnson's allies as Theresa May's ministers refuse to back her

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ve-leader/

Huh. Boris's allies, eh? Wink wink, nudge nudge. Boris in six months time : hey, I didn't bring her down, it was Davis, the bastard. But now she's been removed, I'm clearly the best oaf for the job ...

So they're getting ready to push the used car salesman under the bus? Presumably pre-flattened so as to act as a red carpet for King Boris' coronation?

Who watched the docudrama last night on the Beeb; 'May v Boris'? Boris does not have many supporters after he got knifed by Gove?