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Re: Tory Party watch

#6041  Postby GrahamH » Jan 20, 2020 5:43 pm

Hermit wrote:What I see is a sufficient amount of voters being manipulated by appeals to their fears, hopes and desires. And no, I don't blame the manipulators for what they do either. None of us are anywhere near to being the rational, autonomous entities exercising free will as we like to imagine. Not even those who do have a modicum of capability for cool, calculating analysis.

Do you have some justification for NOT manipulating the manipulators? Why not use the law or public enquiry or other means to expose and constrain their manipulative activities?
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Re: Tory Party watch

#6042  Postby Hermit » Jan 20, 2020 6:53 pm

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Hermit wrote:What I see is a sufficient amount of voters being manipulated by appeals to their fears, hopes and desires. And no, I don't blame the manipulators for what they do either. None of us are anywhere near to being the rational, autonomous entities exercising free will as we like to imagine. Not even those who do have a modicum of capability for cool, calculating analysis.

Do you have some justification for NOT manipulating the manipulators? Why not use the law or public enquiry or other means to expose and constrain their manipulative activities?

I cannot think of a single justification for not initiating procedures to counter the actions of the manipulators. Unfortunately the laws that do exist are in the hands of them and a slew of other laws protect them from the threat of prosecution. Have another look at the images of the front pages of newspapers I linked to in post #6026. The moment anyone tries to take the owners of the media to court for criminal distortions or whatever offence you can formulate, it will be laughed out of court on the grounds of freedom of expression by the legal eagles of the establishment. Then you will be hounded for representing the thin end of the wedge that will spell the end of freedom for everyone if allowed to succeed.

The legal system is pretty much rigged in favour of the ruling class anyway. It is focused on controlling the have-nots while leaving oodles of leeway for the wealthy. In the words of Anatole France, "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread."
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#6043  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 04, 2020 11:16 am

Journalists walk out of No 10 after bid to impose selective briefing of Boris Johnson's Brexit plans.

Journalists walked out of a Downing Street briefing on Boris Johnson’s Brexit plans after the prime minister’s director of communications tried to restrict it to selected publications and broadcasters.

Among those boycotting the briefing were the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg and ITV’s Robert Peston.

Labour accused the prime minister of adopting the tactics of US president Donald Trump, who regularly excludes reporters who he regards as hostile.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-news-journalists-walk-out-no-10-briefing-a9314996.html

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#6044  Postby Keep It Real » Feb 04, 2020 11:31 am

The BBC news website does not appear to be running this story. Whipishshshshs!!!
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#6045  Postby ronmcd » Feb 04, 2020 3:46 pm

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/12 ... 3976835075
Just asked if @NicolaSturgeon would be invited as a guest to COP26 climate conference. "This is a UK govt event.We will be working with the Scottish govt where it's relevant to do so."


COP26 is a UN event jointly hosted by UK and Italy. @nicolasturgeon and @strathearnrose have attended every COP since Paris at the invitation of the UN - @scotgov has attended all the way back to Copenhagen.

https://twitter.com/eliz_lloyd/status/1 ... 5951898624

Again, to be clear - I’ve attended 3 past COPs - Paris, Bonn, Katowice - at the invitation of the UN. I fully intend to be in Glasgow, my home city - and to play my part in making it a success for Scotland, the UK and the world. We must all be serious about our responsibilities.

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/stat ... 7413406720

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Re: Tory Party watch

#6046  Postby GrahamH » Feb 13, 2020 3:34 pm

1The knives have been out i this weeks reshuffle then. Do BJ & Cummings have a totally free hand now?
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#6048  Postby GrahamH » Feb 13, 2020 6:01 pm



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#6049  Postby Fallible » Feb 13, 2020 6:02 pm

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Re: Tory Party watch

#6051  Postby mattthomas » Feb 14, 2020 12:41 pm

Does anyone else see any similarities in the situation with #10 trying to take over #11 to the way Hjalmar Schacht was dealt with when he warned Hitler about the state of the economy?
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#6052  Postby Alan B » Feb 14, 2020 2:20 pm

There seems to be a similarity with the FPTP voting system used in both cases. With a landslide victory as with Johnson it can allow a leader with dictatorial tendencies to gain power...
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#6053  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 14, 2020 2:54 pm

"A landside victory"! He only got 43% of the vote. Now he is a dictator. A great system.
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#6054  Postby Alan B » Feb 14, 2020 3:45 pm

Yeah. 43% of the vote. FPTP is great isn't it?

(I'm all in favour of a mandatory voting system with the option to 'Abstain' on the voting slip. Some form of PR can come later.)
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Re: Tory Party watch

#6055  Postby ronmcd » Feb 15, 2020 10:16 am

Marina Hyde :coffee:

With regret, I must begin with an apology. As the Westminster-based events of Thursday unfolded, I recalled with mounting horror that I had at one point during 2018 described a Theresa May cabinet as “a government of all the talentless”. As so often over the past few years, this would turn out to be an absolute failure of the imagination. I now realise I was, back then, living through a halcyon era of political accomplishment. Jeremy Hunt, Philip Hammond, even David Davis … those guys were like the Time Lords – or Socratic statesmen, or masters of the Glass Bead Game – compared with what was reshuffled into existence on Thursday.


Braverman in particular is mesmerically dim, with a classic Channel 4 News interview with the attorney general suggesting not only that she could be outperformed at the dispatch box but that she could be outperformed by the dispatch box. Or indeed any other item of furniture in the Palace of Westminster.


The chancellor has been replaced by Rishi Sunak, whose entire aesthetic is that of an Apprentice candidate who’s just drenched himself in Diesel’s Only The Brave, and is willing to tear up his fiscal rules for the chance for Johnson to own 50% of his business. The Treasury itself will be renamed Zenith, Velocit-E, or Team Eleventen.
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