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Re: Tory Party watch

#81  Postby mrjonno » Aug 13, 2014 2:59 pm

Whatever the problems with being a MP and to be fair there are some they are far far worse jobs out there, both in pay/conditions and family life. The military would be a good example, how often does a serving soldier even get too see their family a week every 3 months ?
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#82  Postby Calilasseia » Aug 13, 2014 7:56 pm

mrjonno wrote:Whatever the problems with being a MP and to be fair there are some they are far far worse jobs out there, both in pay/conditions and family life. The military would be a good example, how often does a serving soldier even get too see their family a week every 3 months ?


Plus, MPs in general don't find themselves having to evade incoming artillery fire or other munitions. Though some of them haven't even got the balls to face up to the discoursive minigun, without having interviews heavily policed by their spin doctors in advance. The wonderful irony being that some of the Tories who seek to avoid awkward questions, such as Gidiot and his finances, are shamed by a past Tory in the form of John Major. You may think his tenure in office was lacklustre, and find his taste in extra-marital shagging execrable, but he wasn't afraid to get out there and face the people. Plus, unlike the current crop of Bullingdon Boys and tosser toffs, he knew what it was like to be poor, and as a consequence, didn't treat the poor as vermin.

Oh, and you don't have to go to the trouble of putting on a uniform and getting shot at to find a job that's a lot worse than being an MP. Being the person responsible for cleaning up the assorted biological hazards in a hospital is no bowl of roses either, something I mused on during a spell on the urology ward, when some unfortunate nurse had to come round collecting urine samples from everyone. Indeed, I passed on this very observation to the nurse in question, noting that this particular thankless task was probably not the sort of thing she had in mind when answering the call to pursue a career in nursing. Though the patients on a urology ward quickly learn to develop the same fairly offbeat humour as the staff. :)

Then there's the guys who work for a local tanker firm, slopping out various tanker vehicles. Which have been used to transport everything from toxic chemicals to raw sewage. Something your average Bullingdon Boy or tosser toff would run a mile from. For that matter, it's not all fun and games down on the farm either, as anyone who's had a close call with agricultural machinery or certain bad tempered livestock will be well placed to tell us about, and that's before you factor in the piles of shit left behind by said livestock, bad tempered or not.

Speaking of toxic chemicals, a fair chunk of the Mersey Valley is home to several big chemical plants, and there's lots of scope for a world of hurt around those. Just ask anyone who was in Flixborough in 1974, which provided a huge impetus to the first proper Health & Safety At Work Act passed later the same year. I live within striking range of a particularly large one if it goes tits up, not to mention within range of some other hideous nasties, if one of those EasyJets from Liverpool John Lennon Airport has a fatal malfunction and comes down on the wrong spot of land.

Then, there's those nice people who put on Kevlar blast shields and other similar kit, whenever some old guy turns over a piece of World War II ordnance in his allotment, or, more recently, someone with a pathological grudge adds to the plastic content of a car or building. I suspect life takes on particular vividness when your day to day work hazard involves bits of metal flying through your head at four miles per second.

Even supposedly more "mundane" tasks carry hidden risks these days. Mucking out public toilets used to be bad enough in the days before HIV, and your special door prizes if you slip up on the precautions today include such niceties as Hepatits C.

So, basically, anyone who whinges about the hardships of being an MP, on ninety grand a year with £35K rent expenses paid for by someone else, needs to get a fucking life.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#83  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 14, 2014 5:35 am

Calilasseia wrote:So, basically, anyone who whinges about the hardships of being an MP, on ninety grand a year with £35K rent expenses paid for by someone else, needs to get a fucking life.


Especially when you remember that most just play the sheep game. Nice wage for a sheep.
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#84  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 01, 2014 7:41 pm

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#85  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 02, 2014 7:10 am

There are two questions the Cameron faces after that speech last night:

1. How is he going to pay for the shortfall of 7.2 billion as a result of his plans?
2. Does he really think the EU will listen to him?

His prodigy Lord Hill is having a rough time in the conformation question time and has been asked back for a second round of questions (unusual). Many find him too light and too many connections with the City of London.

There were also signs of the difficult political balance Lord Hill will have to maintain in Brussels.

He described himself as a "consensual, pragmatic, European politician" - not a phrase destined to win him many supporters on the Tory backbenches in London.

He promised to work in the general interest of all 28 EU countries, but many MEPs still see him as David Cameron's man.

UK's Lord Hill recalled for more questioning by MEPs

The trouble being a tory in Europe; you cant win.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#86  Postby ED209 » Oct 02, 2014 7:14 am

"Choose tax cuts for the wealthy paid for by further slashing the services and benefits needed by the poorest in the country"
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#87  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 02, 2014 7:15 am

ED209 wrote:"Choose tax cuts for the wealthy paid for by further slashing the services and benefits needed by the poorest in the country"


Where else is it going to come from?
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#88  Postby ED209 » Oct 02, 2014 7:25 am

Negative tweets on Cameron’s speech outweigh positive by 10 to one

Reaction on Twitter to speech at Tory party conference worse than response to Ed Miliband, finds thinktank

David Cameron’s speech received 10 negative posts for every positive one on Twitter, analysis by a thinktank has revealed.

Social media experts at Demos said the prime minister fared less well than Ed Miliband, whose offering to the Labour conference last week received only four negative comments for every positive tweet.

Further analysis found the majority of the negative tweets on the PM’s speech were more of an anti-Tory backlash rather than aimed at Cameron directly, criticising the policies being announced and remarking on the current impact of the cuts...



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... conference

I would have expected that selection bias comes into play because being a comparatively recent innovation only the most committed of tory trolls will be using the internet and they will therefore be outnumbered, however:

Among those voicing their opinions were 1,748 publicly stated Labour supporters, 2,457 publicly stated Conservative supporters, 2,426 members of the press and media, as well as 20,221 unaffiliated members of the public.


... They were actually over-represented compared to their showing in opinion polls.
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#89  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 02, 2014 7:35 am

An article by the BBC's Robert Preston (not my favourite but here asking the right questions).

There is a powerful political logic to David Cameron's announcement of tax cuts that will - the Tories believe - cut the tax bill of basic rate taxpayers by £500 a year by 2020 and the bill of those earning between £50,000 and £100,000 a year by a more handsome £1,313 a year.

He wants to deliver a powerful financial incentive for those on middle to high incomes to ignore the siren call of UKIP and vote Tory.

And it is striking that the prime minister even adopted some of last Friday's rhetoric of UKIP's leader, Nigel Farage, when pointing out that on Tory plans to lift the tax-free personal allowance to £12,500, no one on the minimum wage working up to 30 hours a week would pay a penny of income tax.

But is there economic - and social (dare I ask?) - logic?
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#90  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 02, 2014 7:36 am

Are the tories that terrified of UKIP?

I think they are.
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#91  Postby Calilasseia » Oct 02, 2014 9:55 am

They know that UKIP is going to appeal far more to their base than to that of Labour, and as a corollary, any success on the part of UKIP will result in the Tories haemorrhaging votes and losing the next General Election.

All Farage has to do is keep making the right noises about smelly brown foreigners and Eurocrats, therefore attracting more closet fascists from within the ranks of Tory MPs, and Cameron's chances of winning the next General Election are right up there with evidence being found supporting creationism.
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#92  Postby mrjonno » Oct 02, 2014 10:02 am

UKIP are definitely a threat to the Tory party (they are also a threat to democracy, if they ever got into power there would never be another vote).

UKIP have made bigotry mainstream, best hope is a minority Labour government supported by the Scot Nationalists. EDL/UKIP/BNP riot and we ban the lot of them
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#93  Postby Strontium Dog » Oct 02, 2014 3:24 pm

Calilasseia wrote:They know that UKIP is going to appeal far more to their base than to that of Labour...


What are you basing that on? Not the evidence, clearly:

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/e ... 23847.html

Exclusive: Ukip surge is costing Labour as many votes as Tories, research suggests

Ed Miliband has been warned that Labour’s declining support among working class voters, many of whom are defecting to Ukip, poses the biggest threat to his party’s prospects of winning next year’s general election.

A study by the Labour-affiliated Fabian Society found that a gradual drop in support among blue-collar workers since 2005 has now been exacerbated by the rise of Nigel Farage’s party, putting Labour’s general election strategy in jeopardy.

Its research found that Labour’s lead in nine parliamentary seats would be lost if the results of last month’s council elections were repeated next year. Six seats would go to Ukip and three to the Tories, who would overtake Labour as Ukip eats into its support. The Fabians fear this “Ukip effect” could deny Labour victory in dozens of the crucial Lab-Con marginals that will decide the election.

The analysis, seen by The Independent, says Labour’s view that Ukip was a “Tory problem” has been “blasted” by last month’s Euro and council elections, and that it is hurting Labour and the Tories almost equally. Although the Fabians believe Mr Miliband can still win next year’s election, they warn that he will do so only by winning back the blue-collar workers.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#94  Postby Keep It Real » Oct 02, 2014 3:35 pm

Yeah I've heard that UKIP appeal to labour voters too. It kind of makes sense - the working class blue collar labour voter having sympathy for a bit of racist nationalism. There are poorly educated voters in both the labour and conservative camps. Only the lib-dems and greens seem to comprised overwhelmingly of smarts IMO.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#95  Postby mrjonno » Oct 02, 2014 3:54 pm

I'm sure they do appeal to some in working class constituencies but in those areas Labour have such large majorities it doesn't really matter

Just as important is where the defunct Lib Dem's vote will go there is a good 10% of votes from them to to be distributed (or abstained on)
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#96  Postby mattthomas » Oct 02, 2014 3:56 pm

Unfortunately the media in the UK doesn't seem to want to help the populace with information that may just counter this. Radio 4, up until recently a radio favourite of mine alongside Classic.FM; they give air time constantly to euro-skeptics and UKIP morons who spout such bollocks. They are never challenged, they are never corrected, just aired. Why does the BBC not give the public any form of facts about the EU, about immigration etc.
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#97  Postby mrjonno » Oct 02, 2014 4:00 pm

mattthomas wrote:Unfortunately the media in the UK doesn't seem to want to help the populace with information that may just counter this. Radio 4, up until recently a radio favourite of mine alongside Classic.FM; they give air time constantly to euro-skeptics and UKIP morons who spout such bollocks. They are never challenged, they are never corrected, just aired. Why does the BBC not give the public any form of facts about the EU, about immigration etc.


UKIP hate foreigners, while most same people don't 'love' foreigners they just accept them as part of life and its hard to get passionate about them.

Hate makes better radio/tv

I think the fear of change will keep as in the EU alone through
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#98  Postby Calilasseia » Oct 02, 2014 5:05 pm

Meanwhile, another Tory gets into trouble over his tweets ...

A Conservative minister has apologised for sharing a poem on Twitter which suggested the Labour Party was "full of queers".

Business Minister Matthew Hancock said his retweet had been an "accident" and described the comment as "offensive".

The MP for Suffolk West shared a few poems on his Twitter page to coincide with National Poetry Day on Thursday.

Labour MP Chris Bryant wrote on Twitter that the comment was "vile" and Mr Hancock should be sacked.

Mr Hancock did not write the comment, but it was contained in a limerick criticising the Labour Party, which he shared on his Twitter page.
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Re: Tory Party watch

#99  Postby Aca » Oct 03, 2014 7:38 am

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ts-rulings


Tories pledge powers to ignore European court of human rights rulings
Critics say manifesto risks unravelling 50 years of human rights law at a time when nations such as Russia fight ECHR decisions
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Re: Tory Party watch

#100  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 03, 2014 8:02 am

Aca wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/03/conservatives-ignore-european-court-human-rights-rulings


Tories pledge powers to ignore European court of human rights rulings
Critics say manifesto risks unravelling 50 years of human rights law at a time when nations such as Russia fight ECHR decisions


Just how are they going to do that without leaving the EU?

They really live in cloud-cuckoo land. The UK is one of 28 countries. It can try to negotiate but with Junkers and Timmermans leading I would say they have not got a snowball's chance in hell.

BTW returning to Lord Hill's appointment. Even he does get his appointment his boss will be Timmermans. I don't think Cameron considered that. Timmermans is as pro Europe as you can get and together with Junkers will take Europe further down the unity road regardless what idiots like Cameron think and want.
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