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UK EU Referendum

#1  Postby Beatsong » Feb 20, 2016 2:06 pm

23rd of June, now confirmed. I'll be voting In. How 'bout you?

Loads of tory MPs, including high profile ones right up to cabinet level, already campaigning against Cameron for Brexit, whereas all of Labour apart from about 3 or 4 are united behind staying in. Obviously that's because Cameron is a strong and canny leader, while Corbyn is a weak and useless one.
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#2  Postby ronmcd » Feb 20, 2016 2:13 pm

Watching BBC news. Been watching for an hour or so? Interview after interview with OUT politicians, ministers, ex ministers.

Not one single remain argument.

Oh, and Holyrood elections, fucked.
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#3  Postby ronmcd » Feb 20, 2016 2:14 pm

The in people need to get a FUCKING GRIP right now. Only snippet of a in argument I saw in SKY was from Alex Salmond.

That's not going to cut it, people.
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#4  Postby tuco » Feb 20, 2016 2:20 pm

Got couple of months to sort it out. Should be interesting to observe, or participate on, how democracy like the UK one will deal with this.
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#5  Postby mrjonno » Feb 20, 2016 2:33 pm

I'm sure the national debate will be almost be of the quality of the debate we get on this forum.

How people vote will almost universally be determined by age, education level and class and will have nothing to do with economic or political realities
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#6  Postby ronmcd » Feb 20, 2016 2:34 pm

mrjonno wrote:I'm sure the national debate will be almost be of the quality of the debate we get on this forum.

How people vote will almost universally be determined by age, education level and class and will have nothing to do with economic or political realities

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#7  Postby Kaleid » Feb 20, 2016 2:43 pm

ronmcd wrote:The in people need to get a FUCKING GRIP right now. Only snippet of a in argument I saw in SKY was from Alex Salmond.

That's not going to cut it, people.


I can't decide whether it's that the stay campaigners aren't trying very hard, or they are but they're not visible because the Tory shills in our media are too busy frigging themselves off reporting the views of barking-mad cabinet members. I was convinced that we would vote to stay in the EU and win by a reasonably comfortable margin. I still think we will stay, but perhaps it'll be closer than we think.
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#8  Postby Evolving » Feb 20, 2016 3:08 pm

I can't imagine what would induce me to vote "out".

And if that's the way the vote goes, I think the Scots should have another referendum. it's intolerable that they should be dragged out of the EU by England.
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#9  Postby tuco » Feb 20, 2016 3:09 pm

mrjonno wrote:I'm sure the national debate will be almost be of the quality of the debate we get on this forum.

How people vote will almost universally be determined by age, education level and class and will have nothing to do with economic or political realities


Even if, better some debate than none, unless its completely pre-determined. And people .. you are people, here are people, people you are in contact with are people. This is, no doubt, important decision.
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#10  Postby The Hanging Monkey » Feb 20, 2016 3:13 pm

mrjonno wrote:I'm sure the national debate will be almost be of the quality of the debate we get on this forum.


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I've just laughed so hard a little bit of wee came out.
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#11  Postby Arnold Layne » Feb 20, 2016 3:14 pm

Well, with Gove and IDS on the "out" side, I reckon that will signal a landslide for remaining in.
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#12  Postby The Hanging Monkey » Feb 20, 2016 3:16 pm

So if I vote "in" I get to piss Gove, IDS and Garage off all at the same time.

Oh, and Galloway.

Hmmm, what to do?
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#13  Postby ronmcd » Feb 20, 2016 3:22 pm

Kaleid wrote:
ronmcd wrote:The in people need to get a FUCKING GRIP right now. Only snippet of a in argument I saw in SKY was from Alex Salmond.

That's not going to cut it, people.


I can't decide whether it's that the stay campaigners aren't trying very hard, or they are but they're not visible because the Tory shills in our media are too busy frigging themselves off reporting the views of barking-mad cabinet members. I was convinced that we would vote to stay in the EU and win by a reasonably comfortable margin. I still think we will stay, but perhaps it'll be closer than we think.

Exactly. I'm staggered that either A) the in campaign didn't realise the out campaign would be all over the media the moment Cameron announced the date, or B) they didn't think it was important to counter the arguments

Bizarre. I suspect the result may well be out, if this continues.
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#14  Postby ronmcd » Feb 20, 2016 3:23 pm

The Hanging Monkey wrote:
mrjonno wrote:I'm sure the national debate will be almost be of the quality of the debate we get on this forum.


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I've just laughed so hard a little bit of wee came out.

That was special, even by mrjonno standards :smile:
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#15  Postby Beatsong » Feb 20, 2016 3:24 pm

mrjonno wrote:How people vote will almost universally be determined by age, education level and class and will have nothing to do with economic or political realities


"Almost universally"? Given that the demographics of age, education level and class in the UK are easily measured and the information about them freely available, the vote should be a forgone conclusion then and easy to predict. So which way will it go?
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#16  Postby ronmcd » Feb 20, 2016 3:27 pm

Evolving wrote:I can't imagine what would induce me to vote "out".

And if that's the way the vote goes, I think the Scots should have another referendum. it's intolerable that they should be dragged out of the EU by England.

Even when EU pisses me off, I still can't for the life of me think what the advantages of being out would be, when we'd still be subject to the same rules to take part, but unable to have a say in them.

The greater worry of a UK exit might be consequent damage to Rep of Ireland, and it's border with EU through UK, and eventually the damage to the EU, which will affect us all.
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#17  Postby ronmcd » Feb 20, 2016 3:36 pm

I don't necessarily think an EU exit leads to a new Scottish referendum, but I do think having the Holyrood elections - viewed in Scotland as at least as important as WM elections, probably more - utterly swamped by the UKIP/Tory EU arguments between now and May will piss off A VERY LARGE number of voters.

Imagine the WM elections being held in May, and the media utterly ignoring them and talking about Nicola Sturgeon and Kezia Dugdale from March right through to June. Imagine the annoyance.
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#18  Postby Blackadder » Feb 20, 2016 3:44 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:Well, with Gove and IDS on the "out" side, I reckon that will signal a landslide for remaining in.


If the IN vote wins, can we still give IDS and Gove what they want by slinging them out of the country?
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#19  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 20, 2016 4:16 pm

The number of kippers trolling the comment sections in the newspapers is amazing. You would think that everyone wants out.

I would not mind if the UK left as it would allow at long last for the EU to progress and more important discussions of major issues to take place.
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#20  Postby Scot Dutchy » Feb 20, 2016 4:25 pm

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