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#14241  Postby GrahamH » Jan 03, 2020 6:00 pm

And there is party unity. Voters don't like parties that are always fighting themselves.

How does the next leader deal with the like of Ian Austin?

Ian Austin, a vocal Corbyn critic and former Labour MP who left the party citing its problems with antisemitism, questioned “whose side would we be on” had Corbyn got into Downing Street following last month’s election.
Mr Corbyn had branded the assassination of Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s Quds Force, as a “dangerous escalation”, prompting Mr Austin to respond on Twitter to list his criticisms of Iran.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/co ... spartanntp


The former Labour minister, who is a longtime critic of Mr Corbyn, suggested "decent traditional patriotic Labour voters" should vote Tory.

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#14243  Postby ronmcd » Jan 03, 2020 6:26 pm

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How does the next leader deal with the like of Ian Austin?

Surely he's Boris's problem, he must be a member by now.
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#14244  Postby GrahamH » Jan 03, 2020 7:22 pm

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GrahamH wrote:
How does the next leader deal with the like of Ian Austin?

Surely he's Boris's problem, he must be a member by now.
Austin is no longer a member of the PLP, just an agitator from the margins now, but there agree others. And a centrist may well face similar dissent from momentum members. People who would rather see the other side in power than support the other side of the party.
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#14245  Postby GrahamH » Jan 03, 2020 7:33 pm

Dup
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#14246  Postby ronmcd » Jan 07, 2020 9:06 pm

Labour candidate Jess Phillips says she's against Scotland's right to choose & "cannot understand" support for independence "up there". Voters who left Labour in Scotland get patronised & ignored, but ex-Labour voters in England have to be carefully listened to & understood.

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#14247  Postby ronmcd » Jan 16, 2020 10:22 am

First Jess Philips pronounces on her unionism and refers to "up there" re rebellious Scots, and now Lisa Nandy think the left has defeated "divisive nationalism" in Catalonia and this is obviously the way forward for Scotland.

I hope @lisanandy 's comments on Catalonia were a mis-speak. I was there on 1 Oct 2018 when Spanish riot cops beat the shit out of elderly civilians... Catalan nationalism is cosmopolitan, not "divisive", and its left parties are way more socialist than PSOE...

https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/statu ... 9201817601


London Left's verdict on Nandy v Neil. Guardian’s Peter Walker; “Direct, engaging, and handled [Neil] brilliantly. New Statesman’s Ailbhe Rea; “brilliant … unflappable, warm & totally on top of detailed policy.” Indy's Tom Peck “bright, articulate, honest and tenacious." 1/2

Astonishing that only Scots & @paulmasonnews are reacting to Nandy's incendiary assertion that Spain has "beaten narrow, divisive nationalism" in Catalonia -without mention of cracking skulls or imprisoned political leaders. South of the border, the left loved this interview. 2/2

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#14248  Postby CarlPierce » Jan 17, 2020 2:08 pm

Turns out RLB is a god botherer who wants to give catholic priests a voice choices choices.
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#14249  Postby mattthomas » Jan 17, 2020 3:01 pm

I don't want RLB... it better not happen!
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#14250  Postby GrahamH » Jan 21, 2020 4:55 pm

So Jess Philips is about to drop out...
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#14251  Postby Fallible » Jan 21, 2020 5:03 pm

mattthomas wrote:I don't want RLB... it better not happen!


Nor me.

Apart from all the important things, she also draws her eyebrows on like Ronald McDonald.
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#14253  Postby Fallible » Jan 21, 2020 10:28 pm

Lol. I meant the fake one, obviously. Not you, Ronald.
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#14254  Postby GrahamH » Jan 22, 2020 11:20 am

An interesting focus groupLisa Nandy and Emily Thornbury are their favorites

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#14255  Postby minininja » Jan 22, 2020 2:24 pm

Ugh. It's just further reinforcing exactly what is wrong with politics. People being encouraged to look at it as a popularity contest, who presents the best image, and not the slightest clue about policies. This all just makes it ridiculously easy for media manipulations and smear campaigns to decide who wins an election. Labour don't need someone who is popular with the public right now. They need someone who will get the party to work from the ground up. Get into communities, get into workplaces, educate the public person to person on a massive scale so they can understand what impacts different polices have, so they understand when the Tories are lying and fucking them over.
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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#14256  Postby GrahamH » Jan 22, 2020 2:42 pm

minininja wrote:They need someone who will get the party to work from the ground up. Get into communities, get into workplaces, educate the public person to person on a massive scale so they can understand what impacts different polices have, so they understand when the Tories are lying and fucking them over.


Why do you think that would work? Is there precedent for it? Why would voters who switched to BJ because they didn't trust Corbyn trust this ground level PR campaign on behalf of a leader they don't really like?
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#14257  Postby minininja » Jan 22, 2020 3:12 pm

GrahamH wrote:
minininja wrote:They need someone who will get the party to work from the ground up. Get into communities, get into workplaces, educate the public person to person on a massive scale so they can understand what impacts different polices have, so they understand when the Tories are lying and fucking them over.

Why do you think that would work? Is there precedent for it? Why would voters who switched to BJ because they didn't trust Corbyn trust this ground level PR campaign on behalf of a leader they don't really like?

Politics is in the sewers right now. If we don't raise the quality of political discussion amongst the public then the liars and cheats will always win. There's definitely precedent, to be honest I think it's the only thing that's ever worked for Labour, it's the foundation of the party, but more recently and specifically there this:

Look to Preston for an answer to Labour’s – and Britain’s – woes

Labour’s radical localism in Preston has transformed the city, and given people the political participation they crave

Voters will only change their minds when they understand the realities and they're not going to learn that through the media, nor through any sort of PR campaign. I know it's seen as bad to say that the electorate got it wrong, but when you have people like the ones in that focus group who voted Tory because Johnson "seems a likeable person" and "relatable because his hair's messed up", that is an utter failure of political education. The only way to get through to people like that is get them directly involved and benefiting from local campaigns, democracy, workplace groups, community schemes etc.
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#14258  Postby GrahamH » Jan 22, 2020 4:27 pm

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Look to Preston for an answer to Labour’s – and Britain’s – woes

Labour’s radical localism in Preston has transformed the city, and given people the political participation they crave

Voters will only change their minds when they understand the realities and they're not going to learn that through the media, nor through any sort of PR campaign. I know it's seen as bad to say that the electorate got it wrong, but when you have people like the ones in that focus group who voted Tory because Johnson "seems a likeable person" and "relatable because his hair's messed up", that is an utter failure of political education. The only way to get through to people like that is get them directly involved and benefiting from local campaigns, democracy, workplace groups, community schemes etc.


That's very interesting. Is "the Preston model" on the agenda of any of the leadership candidates? How does the party bring it about in multiple councils? Do they have the councillors to do it? How transferable is it?

I see Corbyn was a fan
Now Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn praises Preston for its “inspiring innovation”. Westminster thinktankers talk about “making a pilgrimage” – and they are only half-joking. Even actor Michael Sheen has dropped by.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ck-control


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#14259  Postby ronmcd » Jan 25, 2020 10:36 am

Labour Party sees surge in membership amid leadership race

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51245211
Labour has experienced a surge in membership since the general election, BBC Two's Newsnight has learned.

Constituency Labour parties (CLPs) have reported rises in local membership amid the ongoing leadership race, in which members will vote from 21 February.

In Hammersmith, west London, the CLP has seen a 32% increase while in Bury North numbers have gone up by 26%.

It is not clear whether these members have only joined to get a vote - but the surge will boost Labour's finances.


The intentions of all the new members this time is not certain - there are simply too many of them to be sure.

However, sources within local parties are confident many if not most had joined to vote against the left-wing candidate, a reversal of what happened four years ago.

One MP, in a CLP that now numbers nearly 3,000 members, told Newsnight: "We're just trying to figure it out, but it seems that overwhelmingly the new joiners since the election are moderates who want to vote against Rebecca Long-Bailey in some form.

"A lot joined for Jess Phillips and are now deciding who next."


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#14260  Postby Fallible » Jan 25, 2020 10:42 am

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