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#1  Postby Mike_L » Mar 07, 2017 7:47 pm

WikiLeaks publishes 'biggest ever leak of secret CIA documents'

The 8,761 documents published by WikiLeaks focus mainly on techniques for hacking and surveillance

By: Ewen MacAskill Defence and security correspondent, Sam Thielman in New York, and Philip Oltermann in Berlin
Tuesday 7 March 2017

The US intelligence agencies are facing fresh embarrassment after WikiLeaks published what it described as the biggest ever leak of confidential documents from the CIA detailing the tools it uses to break into phones, communication apps and other electronic devices.

Thousands of documents focus mainly on techniques for hacking, including how the CIA cooperated with British intelligence to engineer a way to compromise smart televisions and turn them into improvised surveillance devices.

The leak, dubbed “Vault 7” by WikiLeaks, will once again raise questions about the inability of US spy agencies to protect secret documents in the digital age. It follows disclosures about Afghanistan and Iraq by army intelligence specialist Chelsea Manning in 2010 and about the National Security Agency and Britain’s GCHQ by Edward Snowden in 2013.

The documents appear to be from the CIA’s 200-strong Center for Cyber Intelligence and show in detail how the agency’s digital specialists engage in hacking.
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#2  Postby Tzelemel » Mar 07, 2017 8:07 pm

Wait, so the CIA and some British organisation, maybe GCHQ, maybe SIS, were trying to make telescreens a real thing?
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#3  Postby John Platko » Mar 07, 2017 9:33 pm

Tzelemel wrote:Wait, so the CIA and some British organisation, maybe GCHQ, maybe SIS, were trying to make telescreens a real thing?


not trying to - did
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#4  Postby VazScep » Mar 07, 2017 9:38 pm

Tzelemel wrote:Wait, so the CIA and some British organisation, maybe GCHQ, maybe SIS, were trying to make telescreens a real thing?
No.

FFS. Has anyone actually read Nineteen-Eighty Four?

The telescreen wasn't just a secret camera into your room. It was a display that acted like a panopticon, and you had to react to its orders. If you didn't, you ran the risk of being spotted, and marked down as a dissenter.

Nineteen Eighty Four isn't a book about secret surveillance. It's a book about very very public surveillance and total paranoia. One of the most fucked up things in it is the bit where a kid rats out his own dad. The CIA/NSA/GHCQ are nowhere near to bringing us to that world.
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#5  Postby Byron » Mar 07, 2017 11:12 pm

VazScep wrote:[...] FFS. Has anyone actually read Nineteen-Eighty Four? [...]

Several times, Comrade VazScep. While this isn't a full-on telescreen, it's halfway there, and certainly has the intrusiveness nailed.

Liberty demands that the doorstep be a bright-line, and any intrusion to a person's home be strictly controlled, authorized by an impartial magistrate on showing of reasonable cause, tailored as narrowly as possible to any investigation, and reviewed by the magistrate on a regular basis. Spy agencies hooking up with foreign equivalents to do an endrun around domestic protections is a menace.
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#6  Postby Acetone » Mar 08, 2017 1:38 am

So not much has changed from the Snowden leaks? Just new tech.

The car idea is pretty nutty but I assumed they could do that anyway.

I wonder how Trump will handle this. Agree with it presumably?
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#7  Postby crank » Mar 08, 2017 2:29 am

Acetone wrote:So not much has changed from the Snowden leaks? Just new tech.

The car idea is pretty nutty but I assumed they could do that anyway.

I wonder how Trump will handle this. Agree with it presumably?

Lots has changed, they have had to deny more stuff and start phrasing some things differently. A lot of this is very serious beyond what Snowden had, like the accumulation of thousands of zero-day attacks and them ignoring Obama directive to inform the companies of serious vulnerabilities.

The car thing came out when Michael Hastings was killed in a supposed suicide car crash in 2013. I'm still not buying the official version, not saying it was murder, just not ready to say it wasn't.
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#8  Postby Weaver » Mar 08, 2017 4:57 am

Another victory for Russian intelligence operations.
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#9  Postby Thommo » Mar 08, 2017 5:35 am

Am I the only one not surprised that leaving a microphone plugged in, powered and connected to the internet is a possible means of surveillance? I'd be pretty fucking disappointed if the CIA hadn't worked out that could be used to spy on people, to be honest.

I have to admit I did enjoy the juxtaposition on the news of this story with the one about how facebook weren't using enough screening processes on words and images users were posting there, and how that was allowing the spread of indecent images of children though. I for one am hopelessly ambivalent on whether we're too 1984 or not 1984 enough, and whether indeed pre-digital age analogies are even appropriate at all.

(PS: Loving the 1984 pedantry, the same thing has occurred to me - we're not quite at the point that the microphone and camera are installed mandatorily just yet)
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#10  Postby crank » Mar 08, 2017 5:40 am

There's little reason to believe our intelligence agencies when they assert things, we've had numerous examples just recently how facilely they lie. This report gives some pretty good reasons and evidence not to believe the Russians, or anyone, hacked the HRC campaign.

The Dubious Case on Russian ‘Hacking’

Still not showing evidence, U.S. intelligence chief James Clapper told senators he’s really sure Russia was the source of “hacked” Democratic emails, but the case remains weak, say ex-intelligence officials William Binney and Ray McGovern.


By William Binney and Ray McGovern

It has been several weeks since the New York Times reported that “overwhelming circumstantial evidence” led the CIA to believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin “deployed computer hackers” to help Donald Trump win the election. But the evidence released so far has been far from overwhelming.

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#11  Postby Thommo » Mar 08, 2017 5:42 am

Of course Russia hacked the US. Even the US hack the US.

What the fuck else do these people have to do all day? It's literally their job.
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#12  Postby crank » Mar 08, 2017 5:55 am

True, but irrelevant to a specific case.
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#13  Postby Byron » Mar 08, 2017 5:57 am

Thommo wrote:[...] (PS: Loving the 1984 pedantry, the same thing has occurred to me - we're not quite at the point that the microphone and camera are installed mandatorily just yet)

Another slice of pedantry: the good citizens of Airstrip One never knew if the telescreen was being monitored or not; excellent way to use paranoia to save on resources. Jeremy Bentham (he of the panopticon) would've approved of the method, if not its targets.
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#14  Postby crank » Mar 08, 2017 6:16 am

With what's going on now, the ubiquity of the embedded devices, and how probably most of them are hacked--so most of us are vulnerable one way or another. Add in how they record everything, for use later if needed, it's the same as the system being 'on' all the time, on pretty much all of us. They may not be able to send personal commands through your TV or washing machine, or toaster, but they can threaten non-conformists with the risk of getting found out almost anywhere, any time.
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#15  Postby Thommo » Mar 08, 2017 6:22 am

Except probably almost all of them aren't hacked. Reality is just much more mundane.

Terrifying as the prospect that the government have hacked my washing machine is, I just do my spin cycles and turn it off (and yeah, if it ever comes out I mixed my colours with my whites, I'm sure I'll be crushed). I make my secret plans to use gunpowder on the houses of parliament later in rooms which don't contain uncovered microphones. :dunno:

Let's be honest, real totalitarian regimes don't resort to this bullshit, if you want someone murdered just jab them with some polonium or chuck nerve toxin in their face at an airport while wearing a t-shirt saying lol (or just straight up send your troops to annex part of another country while denying it).

PS: I do genuinely love the idea of a CIA washing machine hacking department located somewhere on sublevel B52 of the pentagon enough to want it to be true. I wonder how much effort would be required to literally hack most washing machines in America. That must be a dull job.
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#16  Postby crank » Mar 08, 2017 6:36 am

What makes you think the washing machine is off just because you turned it off? Read the stuff, that's how some of the hacks work. Of course, we don't live in a totalitarian regime, at least not yet. They have to resort to such tactics because we're not totalitarian. They control the citizens through information control, they want ALL the information they can get, it's their armor and their weapons.
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#17  Postby Thommo » Mar 08, 2017 6:38 am

crank wrote:What makes you think the washing machine is off just because you turned it off? Read the stuff, that's how some of the hacks work.


No, literally none of them work without a microphone or camera and electricity supply (and internet connection).

crank wrote:Of course, we don't live in a totalitarian regime, at least not yet. They have to resort to such tactics because we're not totalitarian. They control the citizens through information control, they want ALL the information they can get, it's their armor and their weapons.


This is wrong. You only believe this because they want you to.

I'm dead serious. You're worried about them, but you need to be worried about them.
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#18  Postby willhud9 » Mar 08, 2017 6:59 am

I feel this is much ado about nothing to be honest :dunno:
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#19  Postby Thommo » Mar 08, 2017 7:06 am

willhud9 wrote:I feel this is much ado about nothing to be honest :dunno:


No, seriously. They could be watching your washing machine as we speak (if you've connected it to the internet, a camera and a power supply).

How can you not be terrified?
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#20  Postby willhud9 » Mar 08, 2017 7:31 am

They'd see that I secretly wear women's underpants because I find them super comfy. I mean panties are so soft compared to boxers. They make my tushy feel powdery. Oh shit, I said this on the internetz the CIA now directly knows the truth.

No but seriously what the fuck use does the CIA have in hacking into TVs etc of the general population? Furthermore the CIA doesn't deal with domestic issues except for brief counter terrorism initiatives. But for the most part it is not a law enforcement organization and it just gathers intelligence (which means going through code and establishing surveillance which means the CIA needs to be able to know how to do those things to modern technologies). You know like what spies need to know what to do.

This idea that the CIA is spying on Americans sounds paranoid and too many people are reading dystopian fictions and calling sweeping comparisons.
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