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World War III is well and truly underway.

#1  Postby Macdoc » Aug 28, 2018 4:12 am


"World War III is well and truly underway. And we are losing," writes environmental activist Bill McKibben, so when Malcolm Turnbull implied that the insurgency that demolished his government was based on climate ideology, what lessons are there for Scott Morrison?

As a child in Britain during WWII, I lived in a street of mothers and children. Every father was away fighting. Each house and garden was surrounded by a metal palisade fence.


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US and Australia trading ideology for human lives

Two of the world's highest per capita carbon emitters, the United States and Australia, have deserted the trenches of WWIII by trading ideology for human lives and health.

A shift towards climate-change litigation is gathering steam as low-lying island countries, and even US cities, take aim at governments and big oil companies for failing to act proportionately on emission reductions.
The US response to the climate threat has been withdrawal from the Paris agreement and a full-frontal attack on the US Environmental Protection Authority, a national defence against climate change, pollution and ill-health — as irrational as if the Germans had demolished their "Siegfried Line" of WWII.

As a doctor, I know that they will compromise the health of children and families from relaxation of pollution standards on coal-fired power stations and from weaker fuel standards. Their actions are an attack on all humanity and thereby the US has abandoned world leadership.

Australia's response to climate change is devious; under the guise of action, the transition to renewable energy has been carefully modulated to maintain coal. Policy was corrupted by deference to a party clique of climate deniers who proudly named their group after Australia's most illustrious WW1 general John Monash, and were deaf to his descendants pleading for his name to be removed.

Like the US, Australia is failing to save the lives of its citizens by prolonging the life of polluting coal-fired power.

As a wealthy, technological nation failing to assist others in a transition from fossil fuels, and soon to become the leading exporter of coal and gas in the world, Australia has failed to temper its quest for prosperity and serve the needs of humanity.

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#2  Postby Alan C » Aug 28, 2018 8:48 am

What's happening in South Australia needs to become more widespread. I find it absurd that Australia isn't taking more advantage of solar.
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#3  Postby Macdoc » Aug 28, 2018 9:22 am

Totally. Dinosaurs in power but not for long ...this was a last dying bellow.
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#4  Postby Macdoc » Aug 28, 2018 9:24 am

Dinosaurs in power mourning their lost cretaceous.....one last dying bellow and they'll be out of power for a good bit.
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#5  Postby Hermit » Aug 28, 2018 9:54 am

Alan C wrote:What's happening in South Australia needs to become more widespread. I find it absurd that Australia isn't taking more advantage of solar.

Things are on the up. When the conservative government begged the owner of the Liddell coal sourced power station to extend its productive life by another five years, they basically told the arseholes to get fucked on the grounds that keeping the plant operating past its use-by date does not make economic sense.

And nobody in Australia is foolish enough to finance new electricity generators using coal, no matter how hard the owners of coal mines are lobbying for them.
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#6  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 28, 2018 10:22 am

And you have all that coal?
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#7  Postby Hermit » Aug 28, 2018 10:37 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:And you have all that coal?

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#8  Postby Scot Dutchy » Aug 28, 2018 11:01 am

A lot of coal.
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#9  Postby Keep It Real » Aug 28, 2018 8:37 pm

This thread isn't helping with my personal AGW fury...but then again that's just me'.
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#10  Postby Keep It Real » Aug 28, 2018 8:39 pm

Or is it...
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#11  Postby Keep It Real » Aug 28, 2018 11:51 pm

I get the feeling we're preaching to the choir here mac....maybe hand out some docs?
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#12  Postby Alan C » Aug 29, 2018 12:30 am

Scot Dutchy wrote:A lot of coal.


Apparently you just need to give it a good scrub and then it's clean.
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#13  Postby Hermit » Aug 29, 2018 1:09 am

Alan C wrote:
Scot Dutchy wrote:A lot of coal.

Apparently you just need to give it a good scrub and then it's clean.

It is clean! Scott Morrison - our Prime Minister since last Monday's Liberal Party coup - proved it by bringing a lump of it into parliament last year without getting his fingers dirty. In case people didn't get the message he intoned: "This is coal. Don't be afraid. Don't be scared. It won't hurt you,"

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#14  Postby OlivierK » Aug 29, 2018 4:29 am

Hopefully, the chance to rid ourselves of that cunt will come sooner rather than later, with various government MPs contemplating resignation from his grubby government, thus triggering by-elections that could end the government's one seat majority. Turnbull is off on Friday, and he may not be the only one. An early election would be a welcome chance to change tack.
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#15  Postby Macdoc » Aug 29, 2018 6:09 am

Polls certainly not friendly to the Libs. Partner is disgusted will do a Green/Labour vote.

It's too bad, Turnbull was the centrist Australia needs but did not have the party ( on either side ) to execute his vision.

Canada is not so polar as we have left, centre left and right. These days tho even the left is more centrist than in the past.

We used to have centre left and centre right but the latter is I think extinct in may democracies with the crazies on the right being catered to.

In Canada the right wing crazies are just about to launch their own party so splitting the right wing vote :cheers: perfect. :coffee:
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#16  Postby Hermit » Aug 29, 2018 8:50 am

OlivierK wrote:Hopefully, the chance to rid ourselves of that cunt will come sooner rather than later, with various government MPs contemplating resignation from his grubby government, thus triggering by-elections that could end the government's one seat majority. Turnbull is off on Friday, and he may not be the only one. An early election would be a welcome chance to change tack.

The coalition government will remain in office until the next general election is called. If it loses its one-seat majority (won't happen with Turnbull's resignation. He will be replaced by another Liberal) it will most likely be able to bribe or cajole up to three members on the cross bench into cooperating. At a pinch they might even manage to turn Wilkie, though not Brandt.
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#17  Postby Mike_L » Aug 29, 2018 11:34 am

Have we got just eight years remaining? :ask: It could be as few as three, says Robert J. Burrowes.

Human Extinction by 2026? A Last Ditch Strategy to Fight for Human Survival

by Robert J. Burrowes
14 August 2018

There is almost unanimous agreement among climate scientists and organizations – that is, 97% of over 10,000 climate scientists and the various scientific organizations engaged in climate science research – that human beings have caused a dramatic increase in the amount of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide released into Earth’s atmosphere since the pre-industrial era and that this is driving the climate catastrophe that continues to unfold. For the documentary evidence on this point see, for example, ‘Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature’, ‘Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming’ and ‘Scientists Agree: Global Warming is Happening and Humans are the Primary Cause’.

However, there is no consensus regarding the timeframe in which this climate catastrophe will cause human extinction. This lack of consensus is primarily due to the global elite controlling the public perception of this timeframe with frequent talk of ‘the end of the century’ designed to allow ongoing profit maximization through ‘business as usual’ for as long as possible.
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There is a notable group of prominent climate scientists who present compelling evidence that human extinction will occur by 2026 as a result of a projected 10 degree celsius increase in global temperatures above the pre-industrial level by this date.
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So, to reiterate: We are on the fast-track to extinction. On the current trajectory, assuming we can avert nuclear war, some time between 2021 and 2026 the last human will take their final breath.

Those are the opening and near-to-closing passages of a long-read article.
Full text (purporting to support the grim conclusion) here:
https://www.slguardian.org/human-extinction-by-2026-a-last-ditch-strategy-to-fight-for-human-survival/
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#18  Postby laklak » Aug 29, 2018 12:54 pm

At least the Harold Campings of the world come up with a definite date.
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#19  Postby felltoearth » Aug 29, 2018 1:01 pm

Mike_L wrote:Have we got just eight years remaining? :ask: It could be as few as three, says Robert J. Burrowes.

Human Extinction by 2026? A Last Ditch Strategy to Fight for Human Survival

by Robert J. Burrowes
14 August 2018

There is almost unanimous agreement among climate scientists and organizations – that is, 97% of over 10,000 climate scientists and the various scientific organizations engaged in climate science research – that human beings have caused a dramatic increase in the amount of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide released into Earth’s atmosphere since the pre-industrial era and that this is driving the climate catastrophe that continues to unfold. For the documentary evidence on this point see, for example, ‘Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature’, ‘Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming’ and ‘Scientists Agree: Global Warming is Happening and Humans are the Primary Cause’.

However, there is no consensus regarding the timeframe in which this climate catastrophe will cause human extinction. This lack of consensus is primarily due to the global elite controlling the public perception of this timeframe with frequent talk of ‘the end of the century’ designed to allow ongoing profit maximization through ‘business as usual’ for as long as possible.
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...
There is a notable group of prominent climate scientists who present compelling evidence that human extinction will occur by 2026 as a result of a projected 10 degree celsius increase in global temperatures above the pre-industrial level by this date.
...

So, to reiterate: We are on the fast-track to extinction. On the current trajectory, assuming we can avert nuclear war, some time between 2021 and 2026 the last human will take their final breath.

Those are the opening and near-to-closing passages of a long-read article.
Full text (purporting to support the grim conclusion) here:
https://www.slguardian.org/human-extinction-by-2026-a-last-ditch-strategy-to-fight-for-human-survival/


Literally no one is projecting 10 degrees by 2026. Where the fuck do you get this shit?
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#20  Postby zulumoose » Aug 29, 2018 1:05 pm

I don't believe for a minute (as I am sure very few do) that we only have a few years left.

What I do fear though in the short term, is that one of the avalanche type events takes place, an irreversible and undeniable shift that has a rapid domino effect. I don't imagine this will lead to rapid extinction, but it would devastate economies, make some areas unliveable or at least impossible to invest in which would have the same effect, and make climate concerns a major part of our everyday life.

It should of course be a concern and we should be adapting more than we are, but if it becomes a dominant negative in our lives by force that is a whole different story.
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