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#41  Postby OlivierK » Aug 30, 2018 12:41 am

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OlivierK wrote:Hopefully, the chance to rid ourselves of that cunt will come sooner rather than later, with various government MPs contemplating resignation from his grubby government, thus triggering by-elections that could end the government's one seat majority. Turnbull is off on Friday, and he may not be the only one. An early election would be a welcome chance to change tack.

The coalition government will remain in office until the next general election is called. If it loses its one-seat majority (won't happen with Turnbull's resignation. He will be replaced by another Liberal) it will most likely be able to bribe or cajole up to three members on the cross bench into cooperating. At a pinch they might even manage to turn Wilkie, though not Brandt.

Yes, McGowan will likely stick with them if offered sweeteners for her electorate. Bandt is impossible, but so is Wilkie.

When Gillard and Abbott were vying for his vote in 2010, he met with each and asked for funding for a needed $300m upgrade of Royal Hobart Hospital. Gillard offered funding on a part-now, part-later basis, and Abbott offered $1b immediately to rebuild the hospital from scratch. Wilkie backed Gillard on the ground that he found Abbott's attempts at buying his vote irresponsible and distasteful. Wilkie also entered politics as a protest against the Coalition's support for the Iraq War - I highly doubt he would prop up Morrison, nor would his electorate want him to.

Wentworth is likely for the Libs, but could prove an interesting opportunity for a protest vote, given that electing a Labor candidate could be undone months later at a Federal election - rather than a vote for Labor, it could be a vote for an election. Turnbull's personal vote was high there, and the Labor candidate seems business-oriented and well-suited (and has already been endorsed by Turnbull's son Alex). Probably not enough to shift the self-interested megarich from the Libs, but an outside chance.

[Not commenting on the Sam Carana / Guy Macpherson nonsense other than to say it's been done to death here before. If I had no morals and ran a fossil fuel company, that's just the sort of easily debunked rubbish I'd be tempted to fund / create from whole cloth, just to damage the image of climate science.]
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#42  Postby willhud9 » Aug 30, 2018 1:36 am

felltoearth wrote:Mike characterized the author's outlook as "grim." A rational person would characterize it as non-sense. YMMV.


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#43  Postby Alan B » Aug 30, 2018 3:51 pm

I've not seen such a crap median curve projection. It's just fucking alarmist guesswork.
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#44  Postby Hermit » Aug 31, 2018 3:14 am

Alan B wrote:I've not seen such a crap median curve projection. It's just fucking alarmist guesswork disasturbation.


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#45  Postby Mike_L » Aug 31, 2018 6:42 am

People! People! Stop making these snide remarks! We should be cultivating harmony and camaraderie in these twilight weeks of human civilization!


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#46  Postby felltoearth » Aug 31, 2018 12:35 pm

Mike_L wrote:People! People! Stop making these snide remarks! We should be cultivating harmony and camaraderie in these twilight weeks of human civilization!


(Kidding).

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#47  Postby WankStain42 » Aug 31, 2018 8:52 pm

felltoearth wrote:
Mike_L wrote:People! People! Stop making these snide remarks! We should be cultivating harmony and camaraderie in these twilight weeks of human civilization!


(Kidding).

Ok then! I’ll go over here and start this pine stand on fire, you take the peat bog over there.


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#48  Postby Macdoc » Sep 01, 2018 4:28 am

It's just fucking alarmist guesswork.


While the article in question is certainly over the top polemics with flimsy reasoning and no real basis in science your use of "alarmist" would make me wonder if you are thinking the climate situation is not really dire.

I'm willing to be disabused of that view. :coffee:

This has some basis to work with .....

Climate change: 1.5°C is closer than we imagine
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https://reneweconomy.com.au/climate-cha ... ine-44124/
and inline with my thinking.

The slowing of the fronts moving across the planet means that anomalies that might last a few days or a week now are lingering in place as the jet stream loops stall ....exacerbating the effects.

Interesting times. :coffee:
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#49  Postby Alan B » Sep 01, 2018 6:31 pm

Oh, it certainly is dire but not as dire as 'the end of civilization in 10 years' (I hope). End of, or towards the end of the century, perhaps. Unless the human race can collectively come-up with a solution. But we are so busy arguing amongst ourselves that could be unlikely.
In 1920 the world population was just under 2 billion. About 100 years later it has increased by another 5.5 billion with all the uncontrolled damage to the planet's climate, flora and fauna on the way.
Towards the end of the century the population will increase (it is alleged) by a further 3.5 billion at which point it will supposedly stabilise - perhaps the sexual urge will suddenly disappear and people will decide not to have so many babies. :whistle: (Some of the younger generation in Japan (it has been reported) have decided to shy away from sexual relations and having babies).

With the history of the last 100 years to go by, I cannot see this how this alleged increase in the population can have little or no effect, as some people would like to believe: "science will find a way", "we'll invent something", "we'll colonise the planets", etc., etc. 'Head in the sand' stuff.

Now imagine going back to the 1920 level of population with all the technology we have today... Could almost be Utopian.

I am 82 and I have two sons in their early 50s. Neither of them have children (a drop in the ocean, but a start). Over the next 20 or 30 years they will start feeling the brunt of the effects of human so-called 'progress'.

I feel I have lived through the best of times. I don't want to imagine the future my sons will have to live through.
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#50  Postby Macdoc » Sep 01, 2018 8:58 pm

Thanks for clarity but we don't occupy much space
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all 7 billion of us in the Grand Canyon.

We HAVE the technology and resources to support them and more sustainably ...we waste enormous food and resources.
We don't have the political leadership ( with the exception of China) to address it.

Evidence of that is in the rising rates of measles and other avoidable diseases in first world nations.

You can't cure stupid.

We cannot put the AGW genie back in the bottle ( tho we might a bit later ) We CAN and to a degree are mitigating the problem - some nations/regions more than others.

Tipping points are a growing risk and there is some risk of an anoxic ocean
https://www.care2.com/causes/are-our-oc ... vents.html

a relatively fast route to the end of civilization as we know it
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#51  Postby Alan B » Sep 01, 2018 9:57 pm

It is not a question of how much space we occupy in that silly picture. It is a question of how much space we use to maintain humanity regardless of whatever space we actually physically occupy. That silly representation is an irrelevance.
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You're right about the political 'leaders' - in most countries a bunch of populist technological dunderheads. Only out to line their own pockets and to Hell with all this fake AGW stuff.

Morons!
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#52  Postby Macdoc » Sep 02, 2018 7:45 am

It's not a silly picture ...it's to put us in perspective with the planet.

The population is urbanizing quickly and rewilding is going on.

We are moving toward arcologies ...oddly the same shape as the pile of humanity.

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Cities become denser and CAN be sustainable as can agriculture even within the arcology.

We do inordinate damage despite being a small part of planet earth. The outcome will either be ecological collapse and us to a small number relative to current ....or we get to a sustainable civilization not mining the planet for resources.
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#53  Postby Alan B » Sep 02, 2018 9:59 am

The upside-down ice cream cone of humanity is just an artist's impression. It could just as well have been a cube. Then perhaps someone could argue that the Cubists of another era were trying to tell us something... :whistle: :smile:

However, rewilding is interesting - Wiki. This is worth supporting and promoting.

Will 'they' eventually be able to 'rewild' the depleted rain forests and other areas taken over for biofuel and Palm Oil production as well as logging? Will 'they' be able to reintroduce species driven to extinction by human activity?

There is only one solution and that is to reduce the human population by some means - preferably without killing people orff.

If something could be 'put in the water', so to speak, that would randomly reduce fertility world-wide (reversible, of course, once the goal is reached) down to, say, the 1920 level of population, then, I feel, the human race and the planet and its environs would have a chance. But such a project would take tens of years, time I feel, sadly, that we may not have. (Obviously, such a device must have no effect on other primates and must be human specific).

Ah, well. Dream on...
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#54  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 02, 2018 10:53 am

With the frightening inequality prevailing in certain so called first world countries and the total imbalance of military power those architectural designs are just utopian. In Europe we may see social changes but America is going to become black hole and we will have to watch out not to be pulled down by it.
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#55  Postby Alan B » Sep 02, 2018 11:25 am

Yep. Make our country great again - at the expense of the rest of humanity.
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#56  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 02, 2018 12:27 pm

That is the sum of the problem and it really exists.
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#57  Postby Alan B » Sep 02, 2018 12:47 pm

And then we have this:
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Stunning anti-ageing breakthrough could see humans live to 150 and regenerate organs by 2020 'for the price of a coffee a day'

An extraordinary new anti-ageing technique could see humans live to 150 years old and allow them to regrow their organs by 2020.
Harvard Professor David Sinclair and researchers from the University of New South Wales developed the new process, which involves reprogramming cells.
Dr Sinclair said the technique could allow people to regenerate organs, and even allow paralysis sufferers to move again, with human trials due within two years.
The same researchers also found they could increase the lifespan of mice by ten per cent by giving them a vitamin B derivative pill.
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The science behind the new technique involves the molecule nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD), which plays a role in generating energy in the human body.
The chemical is already used as a supplement for treating Parkinson's disease and fighting jet lag.
Professor Sinclair, who is using his own molecule to reduce the aging process, said his biological age has dropped by 24 years after taking the pill.
He said his father, 79, has been white water rafting and backpacking after starting using the molecule a year-and-a-half ago.
The professor also said his sister-in-law was now fertile again after taking the treatment, despite having started to transition into menopause in her 40s.

The desire to live longer and in good health is only natural but not with 7.6 billion on the planet (and projected to 11 billion by the end of the century).
I think this research is misguided whether it's in mice or humans and will be taken up by the rich in their reclusive mansions - sod the rest of us. The implications of 'living to 150' have not really been thought through. Another nail in humanity's coffin on the only planet we have.

And, yes, hypocritical though it is, I wouldn't mind living longer... And that's the problem.
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#58  Postby Scot Dutchy » Sep 02, 2018 1:14 pm

I am coming up to three score and ten. I would not mind four score and ten but definitely no further.
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#59  Postby Alan B » Sep 02, 2018 1:22 pm

Well, If I was as young and spritely as a 30 year-old... :whistle:
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#60  Postby chango369 » Sep 02, 2018 1:24 pm

Reminds me of the quote:

"If I knew I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of myself."

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