Young X actress commits suicide

aban57 · #1 by **aban57** » Dec 11, 2017 12:59 pm

From here :

In the run-up to her death, Ames was branded a “homophobe” after writing on Twitter about not shooting a scene with an actor who had performed in gay porn.

The 23-year-old wrote: “NOT homophobic. Most girls don’t shoot with guys who have shot gay porn, for safety.

“That’s just how it is with me. I’m not putting my body at risk, i don’t know what they do in their private lives.”

She later tweeted that she “loved the gay community” and that “none of her intentions were malicious” following a social media backlash.

surreptitious57 · #2 by **surreptitious57** » Dec 11, 2017 6:21 pm

She rightfully refused to have sex with men who had done gay porn whose sexual history she did not know
Being responsible and protecting yourself against sexually transmitted disease is now deemed homophobic

CdesignProponentsist · #3 by **CdesignProponentsist** » Dec 11, 2017 6:38 pm

Who she has sex with, whether professionally or privately, is entirely her business.

Rachel Bronwyn · #4 by **Rachel Bronwyn** » Dec 11, 2017 6:48 pm

He argument is what's stupid. She's welcome to have sex or not have sex with literally whoever she wants but thinking she's not putting her body at risk by only fucking people on camera who haven't done gay porn? Nope. Sexually transmitted infections don't work that way.

Shrunk · #5 by **Shrunk** » Dec 11, 2017 7:00 pm

Porn star August Ames left a suicide note apologising to her parents but made no mention of the abuse she received online, official reports have confirmed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5102786/t ... o-parents/

There are claims of an unusually high suicide rate among porn actors, but I have no idea if that is true.

Willie71 · #6 by **Willie71** » Dec 11, 2017 7:06 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Porn star August Ames left a suicide note apologising to her parents but made no mention of the abuse she received online, official reports have confirmed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5102786/t ... o-parents/

There are claims of an unusually high suicide rate among porn actors, but I have no idea if that is true.

I’ve heard the same, but haven’t looked at the literature.

Matthew Shute · #7 by **Matthew Shute** » Dec 11, 2017 7:07 pm

Sad story. Twitter storms can seem just as mindless as real ones. I've heard some dumb justifications for faux indignation in my time, but branding somebody a homophobe for turning down sex with gay porn stars is pretty far out there. As I gather, her objection had nothing to do with this man's sexuality, but everything to do with the reputation American gay porn has, or had in her mind, regarding safety standards around STDs. I've no idea if this is warranted, but even if she was mistaken, her error could hardly be considered homophobic.

Rachel Bronwyn · #8 by **Rachel Bronwyn** » Dec 11, 2017 7:42 pm

The belief you're safe from STIs as long as you don't let anyone who's had sex with men pork you is pretty frigging homophobic. She's welcome to believe it but it's not founded in reality, only the belief gay sex is dirty and sex with gay men is high risk.

There's no indication she killed herself over the flack she got for it anyways.

surreptitious57 · #9 by **surreptitious57** » Dec 11, 2017 8:13 pm

She was worried health checks were less strict for gay porn stars in the less regulated parts of the industry which is why she refused to have unprotected sex with them. She was not suggesting that straight sex carries no risk as obviously all sex does

Agi Hammerthief · **#10** by **Agi Hammerthief** » Dec 11, 2017 8:35 pm

Health and safety tip: don't try and justify yourself on twitter.

Rachel Bronwyn · **#11** by **Rachel Bronwyn** » Dec 11, 2017 8:57 pm

The same body governs health checks for she and dudes who do gay porn that she might work alongside.

Mazille · **#12** by **Mazille** » Dec 11, 2017 9:08 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:The belief you're safe from STIs as long as you don't let anyone who's had sex with men pork you is pretty frigging homophobic.

Ignorance isn't the same as homophobia.
Besides male homosexuals do carry higher risks of some STD's when compared to heterosexuals. Lower risk for some other STD's too, but there's that.

purplerat · **#13** by **purplerat** » Dec 11, 2017 9:28 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:The same body governs health checks for she and dudes who do gay porn that she might work alongside.

You've never worked in an industry where it's an open secret that certain segments are less tightly regulated than others?

I haven't a clue what the truth is with porn but unless somebody tells me they know better and otherwise I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to somebody who actually works in the industry.

Shrunk · **#14** by **Shrunk** » Dec 11, 2017 9:50 pm

Willie71 wrote:
Shrunk wrote:
Porn star August Ames left a suicide note apologising to her parents but made no mention of the abuse she received online, official reports have confirmed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5102786/t ... o-parents/

There are claims of an unusually high suicide rate among porn actors, but I have no idea if that is true.

I’ve heard the same, but haven’t looked at the literature.

I doubt there is any scientific literature. There are some non-peer reviewed reports I came across that gave the average life expectancy of a porn performer as being in the 30's. But that's almost certainly the result of selection bias, in that only people you know have died get recorded. You don't count someone who is in her 70's or 80's and is still alive.

pelfdaddy · **#15** by **pelfdaddy** » Dec 12, 2017 2:29 am

if gay male sex is risky, would you call it a crap chute?

BWE · **#16** by **BWE** » Dec 12, 2017 2:44 am

Chute?

SafeAsMilk · **#17** by **SafeAsMilk** » Dec 12, 2017 2:54 am

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:The belief you're safe from STIs as long as you don't let anyone who's had sex with men pork you is pretty frigging homophobic. She's welcome to believe it but it's not founded in reality, only the belief gay sex is dirty and sex with gay men is high risk.

As I understand it, Adult Industry Medical Healthcare foundation (AIM) applies to both gay and straight porn, but it is voluntary and while I don't know enough to say for sure if this is true, there do seem to be people in the actual industry who claim the standards of safety in gay porn are more lax:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... appen.html

There's no indication she killed herself over the flack she got for it anyways.

This is the only real and verifiable point.

zulumoose · **#18** by **zulumoose** » Dec 12, 2017 6:28 am

Maybe I'm wrong in this, please correct me if someone has pertinent references on hand.

Receptive anal sex is the highest risk by far, for the same reason that suppositories are effective medication. There is an absorption pathway to the bloodstream. The only pertinent statistic I have heard in this regard is that HIV transmission anally is 300 times as likely per exposure as vaginally. How much, if at all, would a suppository medication taken vaginally be absorbed into the bloodstream?

HIV has a window period, which was about 3 months last I heard. This means that screening will not detect a recently infected individual, so their behaviour in the last 3 months is critical.

Recently infected individuals are especially high risk, for the same reason they cannot be detected, because there are no antibodies present to detect, the infection is running wild and unchecked.

So IF my statements above are correct, based on my current knowledge, then there is a much higher risk from someone who has had receptive anal sex, especially in the last 3 months, and if there is reason to believe their behaviour in the last 3 months is more likely to involve exposure to someone else who has had receptive anal sex, and/or has not been screened, then the risk multiplies.

Unless I am very wrong somewhere, a male gay porn star, especially if the gay porn culture is known for promiscuity off-set, as she has implied, is disproportionally risky.

EDITED TO ADD :- The screening standards in the industry would not level the playing field in terms of risk, as long as there is a window period, recent exposure is the key risk.

Thommo · **#19** by **Thommo** » Dec 12, 2017 7:29 am

I couldn't find any decent comparison among porn actors, but rates of HIV infection among male sex workers who have sex with men seems to be disproportionately high https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4517560/ .

So on the strictly factual matter of whether she would expose herself to (some) greater risks by having sex with performers who have sex with men, she might have been correct.

Regardless, this is very sad, whatever the reasons(s) for her suicide. It is very unlikely that online bullying would have helped her state of mind, and this is perhaps a cautionary tale that no matter how righteous one's cause there has to be a line about what is acceptable online behaviour.

I am startled by the level of possessiveness regarding a woman shown by some of her online detractors, and how attitudes seem to have been coloured because of her line of work. Adult performer or anything else no woman (or man) needs any reason to refuse consent. Consent is something given and if she didn't want to have sex with someone for any reason whatsoever, no matter how "shallow" or "wrong" someone else thinks that reason is, whether just because she doesn't like the way they look, or their voice, or how tall they are, or their attitudes towards politics, or anything else then she is in the right.

If you try and pressure someone into sex - even if it's with someone else, and especially if it's with someone else for your viewing entertainment - or if you try and guilt someone into sex then you're doing something seriously wrong and need to stop. Porn performers are human beings first and foremost. They have the same rights as everyone else and sexual bullying or harassment of them is just as wrong. Them having a liberal attitude towards sex doesn't give anyone an entitlement over their bodies.

zulumoose · **#20** by **zulumoose** » Dec 12, 2017 7:47 am

Yup, agree with all of that Thommo.

Every right people have to protest differing treatment of groups based on discrimination of any sort is absolutely inappropriate when it comes to sexual matters.

Sex is intensely personal, and personal preferences are absolutely valid, regardless of how discriminatory they may appear.

If a prostitute will have sex with anyone who is not a 175cm left-handed Jewish Sagittarius, that is her absolute right, no matter how unfairly said person may feel they have been treated.

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