I'm generally opposed to zero hour contracts because they sacrifice steady income for an employee in order to provide a more convenient human resource for employers. I can only imagine how much stress this causes people who have to take zero our contracts because of limited job availability.

The workplace is increasingly shifting towards treating people as inanimate resources to be exploited when convenient rather than as people who generally want stability.

Can you think of a bank willing to entertain a mortgage for a poor fucker on a zero hours contract? Damned if I can.

Munchies wrote:I'm generally opposed to zero hour contracts because they sacrifice steady income for an employee in order to provide a more convenient human resource for employers. I can only imagine how much stress this causes people who have to take zero our contracts because of limited job availability.

The workplace is increasingly shifting towards treating people as inanimate resources to be exploited when convenient rather than as people who generally want stability.

Don't ignore the thousands of people on zero hours contracts who are perfectly happy with them.

Strontium Dog wrote:

Munchies wrote:I'm generally opposed to zero hour contracts because they sacrifice steady income for an employee in order to provide a more convenient human resource for employers. I can only imagine how much stress this causes people who have to take zero our contracts because of limited job availability.

The workplace is increasingly shifting towards treating people as inanimate resources to be exploited when convenient rather than as people who generally want stability.

Don't ignore the thousands of people on zero hours contracts who are perfectly happy with them.

Have there been any reliable surveys of those on zero hour contractors regarding how happy they are with them? Anonymous surveys so people don't worry about losing their job for being honest.

Munchies wrote:Have there been any reliable surveys of those on zero hour contractors regarding how happy they are with them?

Yes.

Strontium Dog wrote:

Munchies wrote:Have there been any reliable surveys of those on zero hour contractors regarding how happy they are with them?

Yes.

I'd be interested to see them.

The first time you tried, you posted a survey of the business association members, aka management rather than workers, so you'll have to do better than that.

There must be a benefit to the employer in some form, because of the drive to get staff on these contracts. Permanent jobs, part-time posts and job-shares all appear to be sliding under the cloud of 'zero-hours', but why the change? I looked at a job in the south of Birmingham (UK), it was a full-time position at a youth detention unit, a place I'd have imagined would certainly prefer familiar staff around the children, but no even this was zero-hours. Crazy!

Strontium Dog wrote:

Munchies wrote:Have there been any reliable surveys of those on zero hour contractors regarding how happy they are with them?

Yes.

Links?

Seldom used here as if you work every week for a three month period. Just one hour is enough. You are entitled to a Dutch permanent contract.

Dutch employment laws:

http://www.expatax.nl/Documents/Step%20by%20step%20guide%20for%20employing%20staff.pdf

Appalling yet another example of corporate welfare, the tax payer subsidising low or no wages.

You know what the problem in this country is too many unprofitable companies kept going due to subsidies. Maybe its time for a bit of natural selection at the corporate level and some of them going bust might actually be good for the economy long term.

If your company can't pay its staff enough to live they you aren't profitable regardless of what you tell the shareholders meeting

quixotecoyote wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:

Munchies wrote:Have there been any reliable surveys of those on zero hour contractors regarding how happy they are with them?

Yes.

I'd be interested to see them.

The first time you tried, you posted a survey of the business association members, aka management rather than workers, so you'll have to do better than that.

Please don't misrepresent security industry members as horrible bosses, thanks.

Since then we have had the CIPD survey of workers too, which also confirms that reality conforms to me.

I'll trust your ability to use Google.

Strontium Dog wrote:...which also confirms that reality conforms to me.

Shouldn't that be the other way around?

Strontium Dog wrote:

quixotecoyote wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:

Munchies wrote:Have there been any reliable surveys of those on zero hour contractors regarding how happy they are with them?

Yes.

I'd be interested to see them.

The first time you tried, you posted a survey of the business association members, aka management rather than workers, so you'll have to do better than that.

Please don't misrepresent security industry members as horrible bosses, thanks.

Since then we have had the CIPD survey of workers too, which also confirms that reality conforms to me.

I'll trust your ability to use Google.

I suppose you like the way you are heading for 3rd. world country status?

But of course you have a great example: AMERICA. Nice one.

I suppose you like the way you are heading for 3rd. world country status?

Our employment standards can't reach 3rd world levels while we are a member of the EU

Oh dear

mrjonno wrote:

I suppose you like the way you are heading for 3rd. world country status?

Our employment standards can't reach 3rd world levels while we are a member of the EU

Oh dear

Oh I know but it looks as if a good attempt is being made.

I was thinking more about membership of the EU, its one of the reasons some shoddy employers want us to leave

mrjonno wrote:I was thinking more about membership of the EU, its one of the reasons some shoddy employers want us to leave

Probably. I think Bangladesh would be the example plenty of employers in Britain would use. Cameron would back them as well.

Scot Dutchy wrote:I suppose you like the way you are heading for 3rd. world country status?

But of course you have a great example: AMERICA. Nice one.

Allowing casual labour is a one way street to 3rd world status? What? Should I have any idea what the hell you are talking about?

Allowing casual labour is a one way street to 3rd world status?

Actually in the 3rd world you get $1 dollar a day, alas that's $1 more than a zero hour contract