Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

Why were many of history's most brutal regimes authored by atheists?

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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1061  Postby The_Piper » Dec 17, 2021 7:41 pm

Don't even get me started. :dopey:
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1062  Postby Spearthrower » Dec 17, 2021 9:51 pm

The_Piper wrote:How about the war on Christmas? Checkmate atheists.


Tis a righteous war of reclamation of a noble and ancient Pagan traditional festival. :cheers:
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1063  Postby Spearthrower » Dec 17, 2021 9:52 pm

BlackBart wrote:
The_Piper wrote:How about the war on Christmas? Checkmate atheists.


Bumhug! I mean Humbug! :shifty:



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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1064  Postby hackenslash » Dec 17, 2021 10:28 pm

I wasabi at uni.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1065  Postby Hermit » Dec 18, 2021 4:25 am

Spearthrower wrote:Its inevitably the case, and played out in microcosm here.

Carl, the original poster of this thread, who is hostile to atheists (and no doubt every other religious adherent than his own brethren) and science that isn't amenable to theistic distortion, makes a fact-free assertion designed to paint his ideological enemies in a bad light. Others, like Trev here, motivated by the same bad faith hostility, simply assume it to be true (or just don't give a fuck about truth and honesty) and uncritically regurgitate it without even a passing attempt at verifying it. No doubt, some day some other ideologically angsty person will - via Google - find Trev's assertion above, and copy and paste it without a care for accuracy or reality - all in service to ideologically motivated hatred. The bullshit mill keeps spinning, confirmation bias keeps confirming the bias, and comforting ignorance is retained to keep those ideological blinkers firmly attached.

Well, there is a remarkable similarity between the opening post of this thread and that one, created five years later. It may have been created by Carl under a different alias, or, as you say, a copypasta job via Google (in this instance with minor alterations). Neither should come as a surprise. The propagation of information is after all the raison d'être of the internet, but the internet does not allow for quality control.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1066  Postby truelgbt » Dec 18, 2021 12:45 pm

List of atheists in politics and law
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There have been many atheists who have participated in politics or law. This is a list of atheists in politics and law. Living persons in this list are people whose atheism is relevant to their notable activities or public life, and who have publicly identified themselves as atheists.


Cambodia
Pol Pot (1925–1998): Communist politician and dictator of Cambodia, which became an atheist state under his rule.

China
Xi Jinping (1953–): Chinese politician currently serving as General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, President of the People's Republic of China, and Chairman of the Central Military Commission.

Hu Jintao (1942–): Chinese politician who was the paramount leader of the People's Republic of China from 2002 to 2012. He held the offices of General Secretary of the Communist Party from 2002 to 2012, President of the People's Republic of China from 2003 to 2012 and Chairman of the Central Military Commission from 2004 to 2012. He was a member of the Politburo Standing Committee, China's de facto top decision-making body, from 1992 to 2012.

Jiang Zemin (1926–): Chinese communist politician, General Secretary of the Communist Party of China 1989–2002 and President of the People's Republic of China 1993–2003. In June 1999, Jiang established an extralegal department, the 6-10 Office, to expel Falun Gong from mainland China. On 20 July, security forces abducted and detained thousands of Falun Gong organizers they identified as leaders. The persecution of Falun Gong that followed was characterized a nationwide campaign of propaganda, as well as the large-scale arbitrary imprisonment and coercive reeducation of Falun Gong organizers, sometimes resulting in death.

Deng Xiaoping (1904–1997): Chinese politician. He was the paramount leader of the People's Republic of China from 1978 until his retirement in 1989.

Mao Zedong(1893–1976): Chinese military and political leader, Chairman of the Communist Party of China, who led the Communist Party of China to victory in the Chinese Civil War, and was the leader of the People's Republic of China from its establishment in 1949 until his death in 1976. Under his leadership, China officially became an atheist state.
Hua Guofeng (1921–2008): Chinese politician and paramount leader of China until 1978.
(end of Wikipedia quote)

Did it say above that this list are those who PUBLICLY IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS ATHEISTS? Is that what it says?

Oh, did I include Cambodia's Pol Pot as an atheist? Is that where the Killing Fields are located?

On the Atheist Chinese Communist Party list above, you will notice Mao, "Under his leadership, China OFFICIALLY became an atheist state".

Why would Mao declare China officially atheist? And why would his regime massacre millions in his own country, simply for disagreeing with him?

Uh, maybe because that is the pattern and outcome of most atheist regimes as recorded in history?

"...Mao was an atheist..." Death Ritual as Political Trickster in the People's Republic of China, by A. P. Cheater, Source: The Australian Journal of Chinese Affairs, No. 26 (Jul., 1991), pp. 67-97 (p. 92), published by Contemporary China Center, Australian National University

"With revolution came a new, atheist regime – one that frowned on all religious belief." China's Catholics: Far from Rome, by Holly Williams, BBC News, December 24, 2003, (Accessed April 14, 2008)




Now is not the time or place to be a historical revisionist or denier of historical FACTS. Now is the time for change, IMHO.

Wanting to follow and acknowledge historical FACTS, I've already made my change. I jettisoned atheism a long time ago and don't want to have any connection with it.

Not to mention the total denial of BASIC ELEMENTARY SCIENTIFIC FACTS - that life has NEVER been DEMONSTRATED to come from non-living material (atheistic Abiogenesis) and the collective matter the size of a universe has NEVER been DEMONSTRATED to materialize out of nothing (atheistic Cosmology). Both stupid concepts are the darlings of atheist circles and communities, for what reason? Simply to avoid the implication of God? Avoiding the implication of God is one thing but to attach oneself to stupid concepts is another.

But, to each their own.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1067  Postby hackenslash » Dec 18, 2021 1:03 pm

God wiped out almost the entire biological population of the planet, according to your Hokey Blurble. Was he an atheist?

Meanwhile, why do you continue to compile lists of a class of people that YOU insist doesn't exist? Also, why no mention of people like Moses, and Joshua, who committed acts of blatant genocide and kidnapped little girls as sex slaves?
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1068  Postby Spearthrower » Dec 18, 2021 1:53 pm

There have been many atheists who have participated in politics or law.


Shocking.

In other news from the Department of Trivia: water remains wet.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1069  Postby Spearthrower » Dec 18, 2021 1:55 pm

Uh, maybe because that is the pattern and outcome of most atheist regimes as recorded in history?


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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1070  Postby Spearthrower » Dec 18, 2021 1:57 pm

Not to mention the total denial of BASIC ELEMENTARY SCIENTIFIC FACTS - that life has NEVER been DEMONSTRATED to come from non-living material


Not science: vapid bollocks desperate for the veneer of scientific legitimacy.

As I've already schooled you - literally every single instance of life we know is wholly comprised of 'non-living material' - so you're not just wrong (again), you're talking abject horsetitties.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1071  Postby Spearthrower » Dec 18, 2021 2:00 pm

You can tell that Trev has no interest other than rehearsing vapid bigotry because he doesn't ask atheists to explain their position, but keeps declaring what atheists believe.

I've already explained to him that atheism isn't abiogenesis or cosmology - one can be an atheist without knowing or caring the first thing at all about any scientific topic - atheism is just the disbelief in gods.

Trev disbelieves in plenty of gods. Why does he disbelieve in those gods? Because he sees no reason to lend them his belief. Atheists feel exactly the same way, but just include his god too. For Trev, that's unacceptable - all must conform, all must genuflect, all must submit their individual reason and rationality just to make Trev feel comfortable with his otherwise impoverished faith.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1072  Postby Hermit » Dec 18, 2021 9:21 pm

truelgbt wrote:I jettisoned atheism a long time ago and don't want to have any connection with it.

Very good. It is doubtful that any atheists would like to see you among them.

By the way, truelgbt, care to comment on my destruction of your garbage "citation"? Are you still willing to defend this drivel?
truelgbt wrote:- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated "Religion is poison." and "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."

Having destroyed the veracity of where you claim to have the information from I challenge you once more to cite primary sources proving that
a) Darwin was Mao Zedong's favourite author.
b) Mao Zedong stated "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1073  Postby The_Piper » Dec 18, 2021 10:11 pm

The fact that evolution is real isn't a good, bad, evil, or kind concept. It's just reality. Reality is neutral. :lol: It's also endlessly interesting.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1074  Postby ElDiablo » Dec 27, 2021 3:55 am

truelgbt wrote:
But, to each their own.


Yet, here you are preaching. It seems like you threw away atheism because there was little to preach about.

I always find it so weird that the people who I know who cling daily to their religious faith are troubled by my atheism. Out of nowhere, they will bring up their god and faith and tell me why it works for them. God this, god that, the bible says, etc... I don't see it as a sign of strength but weakness. I feel sorry for them that simply thinking that I'm an atheist causes them emotional trauma and that they can't just let me be. I have no trouble letting them be and not pushing my ideas on them.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1075  Postby don't get me started » Dec 29, 2021 2:46 am

ElDiablo wrote:
truelgbt wrote:
But, to each their own.


Yet, here you are preaching. It seems like you threw away atheism because there was little to preach about.

I always find it so weird that the people who I know who cling daily to their religious faith are troubled by my atheism. Out of nowhere, they will bring up their god and faith and tell me why it works for them. God this, god that, the bible says, etc... I don't see it as a sign of strength but weakness. I feel sorry for them that simply thinking that I'm an atheist causes them emotional trauma and that they can't just let me be. I have no trouble letting them be and not pushing my ideas on them.


Indeed.
It seems to be the default setting that an expression of faith apropos nothing is not considered problematic, but an expression of atheism in response to the initial religious statement is considered bad manners at best and a kind of fighting talk at worst.
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