Well carl here is a list of the top 100 charities in America.

Where is the first so called xtian charity on the list?

Number 16. Above them are 15 secular charities. Even a peanut farmer does better.

Also nowhere do they clearly state how much of a one dollar donation actually reaches the target.

So shiting about your fucking charities.

http://charity.lovetoknow.com/Top_100_Charities

carl wrote:

THWOTH wrote:

carl wrote:

THWOTH wrote:Carl,

Would you agree that the biblical interpretation and the beliefs and practices of many nominal Christian denominations are wrong?

Not really. Name which belief or practice you have in mind and I will try to address.

There are too many Christian denominations to name, but your answer would imply that (just to take some examples) you think Baptists, Presbyterians, The Amish, Methodists, Seventh Day Adventists, Greek and Russian Orthodox, Jehovahs Witnesses, Roman Catholics, Quakers, Mormons and Anglicans are all essentially correct in the matter of their biblical interpretation and the beliefs and practices which distinguish each of them from the others?

Is that your position carl?

No. 'Christian' means to follow Christ, so I would simply compare what the Bible says to what their doctrine says.

Do you wear nylon carl?
Do you kill disobedient children carl?
Do you burn trees that bear rotten apples carl?
The whole point of the 2000+ denominations is that there is no consensus on what the Bible supposedly says.

carl wrote: There are items of doctrine for which there is specifically called out in the Bible (primary doctrine) and there are some other aspects which are not specifically called out (peripheral or secondary doctrine). There are areas on which to disagree and allow for that (peripheral areas) and areas of disagreement which separates truth from error (primary areas).

For example, there are primary doctrinal differences between the Bible and the WatchTower teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses. For Christianity, the Bible is primary. Everything else - teachings of various organizations, traditions, etc. are tertiary.

What do you think it primary for the Jehovah's Witnesses carl?
Hint, it begins with B.. and ends with ..ible.

carl wrote:2 Timothy 3: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Legolas, Lord of the Rings, Two Towers 2:12
"They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!"

Accept Legolas as your one Savior, or you shall burn in Mordor. For one does not simply walk into there.

carl wrote:

Calilasseia wrote:

carl wrote:Your magic man is supposed to be capable of dispelling discord and disagreement on the relevant subjects, yet, if this entity exists, it has utterly failed to do so.

As previously explained from the Bible, we are waiting for the day when He returns and re-establishes order. This is IN THE FUTURE. We must realize the Bible is not claiming that heaven is here now.

Stick to the fucking point carl.
We're not discussing heaven.
We're discussing a professed omnipotent and benevolent god, completely failing to deliver a clear, convincing, message to his creation.

carl wrote:

BlackBart wrote:

carl wrote:

Nebogipfel wrote:

carl, why should athiest organizations need to make for humanitarian aid, when there are perfectly good secular organisations like.....

Atheist organizations defer to others the initiative of hard work to establish charities to third-world nations but decide to take the initiative when it comes to lawsuits for separation of church and state, for which there are secular organizations which already do that too.

Yes, they do have their priorities....

Christ in a Datsun Cherry this getting tedious, let's try a slightly different tack.

See this funny looking chap here, carl? That's Prince Philip and he's the husband of the Queen of England.

Prince Philip has nothing to do with atheists failing to organize their resources to initiate relief to the suffering world.

With all the asinine and disengenuous red herrings you've vomited in this thread, you're in no position to lecture about off-topic things.

carl wrote:Yes, atheists initiate lawsuits, billboards, and atheist conventions, which is all good but in the words of Jesus:

Completely failure to adress the point has been noted.
Your dishonest behaviour is becoming more revolting with each post you make carl.

And speaking of bible quotes, how about this one carl:
Matthew 6:5

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

I guess someone seemingly happy to be shittily dishonest might not be disturbed with the idea of a god too idle to even try and stop its own supposed followers killing and torturing each other.
One might even say they were made for each other.

Meanwhile, as for his tiresome canard about "atheist billboards", I live a whole fucking ocean away from the USA, but I'm still aware that there are parts of America where you can't move without seeing some piece of religious proselytising by fundie Christians, in six foot high letters on billboards, each spaced about 100 yards apart from each other. The Bible Belt has so many of these, they're almost abundant enough to exert their own gravitational influence within the Solar System. Then, there's all those Christian radio and TV stations filing the airwaves, there's hundreds of these, ranging from local stations right the way up to nationwide cable networks. Draw a line between, say, Charleston, West Virginia, and Albuquerque, New Mexico, and you can't escape 24/7 wall-to-wall fucking Jeebus preaching anywhere along that line. You can't escape wall-to-wall non-stop banging on about fucking magic man. If you see one atheist billboard amidst this fucking galaxy cluster of sanctimonious panhandling for fundamentalist Christianity, it's fucking headline news. But of course, the veterans here are used to the manner, in which that one atheist billboard amidst a fucking ocean of Jeebus whining, will be paraded by the usual Christofascist suspects as "militant atheism on the rampage".

All of this cant Carl is bringing here, is fucking bullshit from start to finish. It's nothing but a gigantic whinge because there still exist people who don't genuflect before his sad little masturbation fantasy of a doctrine, based upon a collection of bad fairy tales that a five year old would point and laugh at, in the absence of the relentless indoctrination that the wanktard followers of this sub-amoeboid, superstitious drivel routinely demand be put in place. We've seen the lies and bullshit peddled by mythology fetishists time and again, and it IS lies and bullshit from start to finish. Quite simply, it's long overdue for our species to ditch this primitive, palsied drivel, along with all the other mythologies that are treated as fact by deluded fucktards around the world, and for our species to fucking grow up and live with reality as it is, not as ignorant peons with tinselly holograms in their heads want it to be. If you have to marinate your brain in mediaeval superstition and spastically deranged fantasies, because you're too dumbfuck moronic to bother paying attention to reality, then don't expect those of us with working brain cells to treat your drivel as being comparable to the output of a Nobel Laureate, because it isn't.

Calilasseia wrote:... fucking ... fucking Jeebus ... fucking magic man. ... fucking ... fucking ... fucking ... fucking bullshit ... sad little masturbation fantasy ... wanktard ... bullshit ... deluded fucktards ... fucking ... spastically deranged fantasies ... too dumbfuck moronic ...

Cali, Cali! Hack's hacked your account

Dint fuckin' do nuffin'...

carl wrote:What good are atheist conventions and billboards when people are starving and dying?

Carl.

You have started at least 3 threads on this forum. You have been preaching in all 3. This is against the forum rules...

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In this thread, when your "arguments" have been trashed, instead of admitting defeat, or merely ceasing to post, you have changed the subject. (The title of this thread is "Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?" Having been defeated, you have changed the topic completely to "The Evil Atheists Don't Start Charities".) This is against the forum rules...

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Notwithstanding, Carl, I must point out to you that the problem of people starving and dying lies directly at your doorstep. (Please don't misunderstand me, Carl; I'm not suggesting that you are the cause of problem, but that you have the solution, but, so far, have failed to apply it.)

You tell us that you are a biblical christian, so I assume you believe in the power of prayer. After you have finished reading this post, simply pray for starvation ad death to be "no more", and they will be "no more". (According to your beliefs)

John wrote:14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

If people are still dying and starving in a couple of days, we'll all know that it is "evil" Carl's fault for not applying the solution (or, of course, that the Wholely Babble is wholely babble, and Carl's just a gullible lackie).

Make sure you pray to 'one-true-god' and not to a milk jug...

Happy birthday Cali.

I wish someone would invite me to an atheist convention, or put up an atheist billboard in my country. But then we don't have many religious ones either so I shouldn't whine.

hackenslash wrote:Dint fuckin' do nuffin'...

[pedant]If you "Dint fuckin' do nuffin' ", then you did do something.[/pedant]

Confession is good for the soul!

carl wrote:

No. 'Christian' means to follow Christ, so I would simply compare what the Bible says to what their doctrine says. There are items of doctrine for which there is specifically called out in the Bible (primary doctrine) and there are some other aspects which are not specifically called out (peripheral or secondary doctrine). There are areas on which to disagree and allow for that (peripheral areas) and areas of disagreement which separates truth from error (primary areas).

For example, there are primary doctrinal differences between the Bible and the WatchTower teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses. For Christianity, the Bible is primary. Everything else - teachings of various organizations, traditions, etc. are tertiary.

2 Timothy 3: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Is the bread and wine used in communion just symbolic of the last supper Jesus shared with his disciples or is it really the body and blood of Christ?

Nebogipfel wrote:Is the bread and wine used in communion just symbolic of the last supper Jesus shared with his disciples or is it really the body and blood of Christ?

Or is it magically both at the same time?

Or did Christ do the catering for the Last Supper...?

tolman wrote:

Nebogipfel wrote:Is the bread and wine used in communion just symbolic of the last supper Jesus shared with his disciples or is it really the body and blood of Christ?

Or is it magically both at the same time?

Or did Christ do the catering for the Last Supper...?

What? Cut off an arm and a leg? Donate some blood?

tolman wrote:Or did Christ do the catering for the Last Supper...?

Yes. He put his heart and (arse)soul into it!

I must apologize for my absence over the past 2 weeks - I am currently in the midst of a huge change in my workplace involving learning new software - and I'm not doing a very good job of learning it, oh well (sigh). There has been a big push within my employer's organization to make the change, which has many older nurses and providers (like myself) retiring early - yes, its that difficult! I usually only do physicals and relatively simple stuff but now I am having to see more urgent care cases to help cover other providers who are bogged down by the new software. Enough to say I am very very busy. I hope to continue our enlightening conversations in the not too distant future - maybe my schedule will get back to normal within the next month or so but I am barely home at this point - all I do when I get home is eat, shower, and go to bed. Once again, I apologize for my absence but look forward to my return, as soon as things settle down. In the meantime, best wishes to you all.

carl wrote:I am currently in the midst of a huge change in my workplace involving learning new software - and I'm not doing a very good job of learning it, oh well (sigh).

carl wrote:I hope to continue our enlightening conversations in the not too distant future - maybe my schedule will get back to normal within the next month or so but I am barely home at this point - all I do when I get home is eat, shower, and go to bed. Once again, I apologize for my absence but look forward to my return, as soon as things settle down. In the meantime, best wishes to you all.

Matthew wrote:6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

carl wrote:I must apologize for my absence over the past 2 weeks - I am currently in the midst of a huge change in my workplace involving learning new software - and I'm not doing a very good job of learning it, oh well (sigh). There has been a big push within my employer's organization to make the change, which has many older nurses and providers (like myself) retiring early - yes, its that difficult! I usually only do physicals and relatively simple stuff but now I am having to see more urgent care cases to help cover other providers who are bogged down by the new software. Enough to say I am very very busy. I hope to continue our enlightening conversations in the not too distant future - maybe my schedule will get back to normal within the next month or so but I am barely home at this point - all I do when I get home is eat, shower, and go to bed. Once again, I apologize for my absence but look forward to my return, as soon as things settle down. In the meantime, best wishes to you all.

Am I having double vision. This was said exactly the same on another thread.

Just merge them please.

If you're going to post, carl, post and if you're not, don't, but spare the us the attempted ingratiation. It come over as plastic and grubby given the grubby preaching and evasion.

Demonstrate that those genocides were a result of atheism/Darwinism. Simply saying "well, they didn't believe in God", doesn't constitute evidence for your claim. I'm betting that you cannot demonstrate this.