Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#981  Postby truelgbt » Oct 11, 2021 9:44 am

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BlackBart wrote:Already done. In his 14th post on the topic truelgbt asked "Who are the born-again Christian dictators you are referring to?" The stipulation that Christian dictators only count as being associated with genocides if they are born-again Christians is a new one. It is necessary because there simply are too many ordinary Christians who have been associated with genocides and mass murders in recent history.


A Christian is born again. There is no other.

Jesus defined a Christian as follows: Jesus answered and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3)

But just to make sure, who are these "ordinary" Christians who committed genocide? How many were murdered?
And how do they compare in body-count to the ATHEIST genocides?

Just looking at the ATHEIST Genocide body count on the OP, plus the 9 million Uyghurs, we have at least 163 MILLION bodies.
This 163 MILLION bodies does not take into account the hundreds of millions of children murdered in the womb by the godless organization Planned Parenthood - who many atheists today support with their money and their votes.

Speaking of pro-abortion votes which enables the murder of children, that includes many of you here on this forum.
As pro-abortion voters, YOU are active participants in modern-day genocide. Abortion IS genocide.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#982  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 11, 2021 10:14 am

Hopefully all individual atheist organizations around the world (50+) will do the same because the more the better.
Same goes for all Christian organizations to do the same as well.


Cor blimey guvnor... it's almost as if you've come to the stunning realization that atheists are also human!
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#983  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 11, 2021 10:18 am

truelgbt wrote:
Speaking of pro-abortion votes which enables the murder of children,...



You seem to have got a little confused along the way there.

What has abortion got to do with murdering children?



truelgbt wrote:... that includes many of you here on this forum.


There's that bigotry back out on display - you atheists are baby-murderers!

Why don't you grow the fuck up?



truelgbt wrote:As pro-abortion voters, YOU are active participants in modern-day genocide.


Says no credible organization at all.



truelgbt wrote: Abortion IS genocide.


False.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Genocide is the intentional action to destroy a people—usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group—in whole or in part.



Can you lump for one dribbled vacuous slurry of ignorant vacuous bullshit rather than mixing and matching whatever you feel like on the fly?
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#984  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 11, 2021 10:28 am

Do you think it's your Christian beliefs which have made you so arrogant, ignorant and vicious?

Are you praying to have Yahweh forgive you for being so intolerant and motivated to hatred?
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#985  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 11, 2021 10:35 am

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A Christian is born again. There is no other.


Wrong, as usual. And you're repeating an error you've already been educated about.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity

The four largest branches of Christianity are the Catholic Church (1.3 billion/50.1%), Protestantism (920 million/36.7%), the Eastern Orthodox Church (230 million), and the Oriental Orthodox churches (62 million) (Orthodox churches combined at 11.9%),...


Over 50% of Christians are Catholic.

Protestants make up 26% of Christians.

That means that 74% of Christians are not Protestant.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again

Born again, or to experience the new birth, is a phrase, particularly in evangelicalism, that refers to "spiritual rebirth", or a regeneration of the human spirit. In contrast to one's physical birth, being "born again" is caused distinctly and separately by baptism in Holy Spirit, not by baptism in water. It is a core doctrine of the denominations of the Methodist, Quaker, Baptist, and Pentecostal Church along with all other evangelical Christian denominations. All of these strongly believe Jesus' words in the Gospels: "You must be born again before you can see, or enter, the Kingdom of Heaven." Their doctrine also mandates that to be both "born again" and "saved" one must have a personal and intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.[1][2][3][4][5][6]


Of the Protestant Christians, the doctrinal concept of being 'born again' is specific to a set of denominations which is far from the majority. Generally, it is restricted to evangelicals.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism

In 2016, there were an estimated 619 million evangelicals in the world, meaning that one in four Christians would be classified as evangelical.


Therefore, even if EVERY single evangelical believes in the doctrinal concept of being born again, this would still make the belief a small minority position among Christians - little more than a heresy, really.

How do you keep managing to be so wrong about everything, yet so confident? I can tell you: it's bigotry - you're running wholly on bigotry. What a great advert you are for the damage religion does to human psychology.

Perhaps you should be more worried about convincing your fellow Christians (although I am sure that few of them would want ANYTHING to do with someone like you) than being a vicious asshole to strangers on the internet just because they don't share your manic borrowed belief system?
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#986  Postby Hermit » Oct 11, 2021 10:53 am

truelgbt wrote:
Hermit wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Already done. In his 14th post on the topic truelgbt asked "Who are the born-again Christian dictators you are referring to?" The stipulation that Christian dictators only count as being associated with genocides if they are born-again Christians is a new one. It is necessary because there simply are too many ordinary Christians who have been associated with genocides and mass murders in recent history.

A Christian is born again. There is no other.

Jesus defined a Christian as follows: Jesus answered and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3)

Correct. And how does one get born again? For the biblical explanation we continue to John 3:4-5.

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

In short, through baptism, aka christening. It's what happened to 2.5 billion individuals currently infesting this planet. It also includes numerous people who indulged in genocides, foremost of them being Adolf Hitler.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#987  Postby BlackBart » Oct 11, 2021 12:47 pm

truelgbt wrote:I stand corrected. AAI has indeed spoken out against the Uyghur genocide carried out by atheists in China. Hopefully all individual atheist organizations around the world (50+) will do the same because the more the better.


If only there was some kind of... I dunno.... atheist international alliance... :dunno:


Same goes for all Christian organizations to do the same as well. This genocide has been going on since 2014 and only in this year, 2021, has anyone of significance spoken out against it. Why are so few speaking out? And why has it taken so long?


Probably busy with all the kiddy fiddling to sweep under the carpet.


It is unfortunate though that the 20th and 21st centuries have been marred by THEIST governments who have carried out the murder of hundreds of millions.


Oh look, taking the A out works too. Whoodathunkitt?!

<Preachy shit snipped>

Meanwhile...

Mr Trump told the Axios news site that achieving a "great" deal meant he could not impose "additional sanctions".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53138833

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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#988  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 11, 2021 1:00 pm

216,000 cases of pedophilia by CHRISTIAN clergy in the last 70 years in France alone - 3000 kiddie-fiddlers harbored by the Christian leadership, most of them leadership themselves!

I don't see truelgbt talking about it - funny that!

I don't see truelgbt apologizing to parents - how odd!

I don't see truelgbt addressing it at all - what does that tell us?

That truelgbt is a pedophile?

Isn't that the logic we're using?

Yes, yes I believe that is indeed the logic we're using, so clearly we know why he's trying to blame atheists for some random crap: it's to distract from his condoning of sexually molesting children. Perhaps it's cover to give further license to pedophiles!



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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#989  Postby truelgbt » Oct 12, 2021 4:51 am

Spearthrower wrote:216,000 cases of pedophilia by CHRISTIAN clergy in the last 70 years in France alone...


Uh, here is the title of a CNN article about the 216,000 cases of pedophilia...
"France CATHOLIC church abuse scandal - CNN"

Why didn't you mention CATHOLIC???

The Bible describes the CATHOLIC Church as follows (2 Timothy 3:5): "...having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people."

The CATHOLIC Church is the False Church of the endtimes.

The Catholic Church is considered as just that - a different group entirely. They worship and pray to Mary (an idol), and deceased saints (more idols). And blasphemies of blasphemies, they worship the Pope!!@! And he receives it!!! The Bible forbids worshipping or praying to idols or humans.

If you go to a largely Catholic country in Latin America and, as a born-again Christian you hold a service on Sunday, no CATHOLIC will even come close. No way. They know you and they are different altogether.

Why ATHEISTS lump all churches together is because of ignorance. You don't live in a CATHOLIC country where the differences are acute and obvious so you don't understand the ways of the church or the culture of it in Latin American countries, for example.

So when we hear about pedophilia within the CATHOLIC clergy, we should not be surprised. They are acting out exactly what they are....the FALSE Church of the endtimes.

What about the CATHOLIC Crusades and CATHOLIC inquisition which is ignorantly blamed on all churches?
The CATHOLIC Crusades and the CATHOLIC Inquisition MURDERED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS for refusing to bow to the Pope?

And now is being blamed on Christians - who were murdered??? WHAAT?
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#990  Postby truelgbt » Oct 12, 2021 5:09 am

As I said before, I am soooooo glad to hear some motivated ATHEIST individuals at AAI decided to speak out against what their fellow ATHEISTS in China were doing by committing genocide against the Uyghur Muslim ethnic minority group. A bit late since they made their statement in 2021 and the genocide has been going on since 2014 or earlier, but better late than never. Kudos to them!!!

I can understand why ATHEISTS would hesitate to speak out against other ATHEISTS but not on the matter of genocide.

Have any of you here - Spearchucker, Bart, Hermit, etc. bothered to mention or speak out against the ATHEIST genocide here on this forum or any other forum? What response did you get?
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#991  Postby truelgbt » Oct 12, 2021 5:22 am

Let's not forget the ATHEIST Genocide body count on the OP, plus the 9 million Uyghurs, we have at least 163 MILLION bodies.

(IMHO, the Uyghur genocide should have been included in the original OP right up front and center).

Nobody here has addressed this 163 MILLION body count yet. Anybody?

This is not a Catholic body count, a Christian body count, or a Protestant body count, but an ATHEIST body count.
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#992  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 12, 2021 5:52 am

truelgbt wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:216,000 cases of pedophilia by CHRISTIAN clergy in the last 70 years in France alone...


Uh, here is the title of a CNN article about the 216,000 cases of pedophilia...
"France CATHOLIC church abuse scandal - CNN"

Why didn't you mention CATHOLIC???


They are Christian. This is an unarguable fact. Your small-minded bigotry does not decree reality.


truelgbt wrote:The Bible describes the CATHOLIC Church as follows (2 Timothy 3:5): "...having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people."


No it doesn't - the Bible makes no mention of Catholic at all - you're talking bigoted bullshit as usual. Clearly, your bigotry isn't limited to just atheists, but also to your fellow Christians - what a nasty little mind virus plaguing you.


truelgbt wrote:The CATHOLIC Church is the False Church of the endtimes.


What utter batshit. Those end-times had 1500 years and never amounted to anything, because the concept was always the produce of delusional nutjobs.


truelgbt wrote:The Catholic Church is considered as just that - a different group entirely.


You still don't history, do you?


truelgbt wrote: They worship and pray to Mary (an idol), and deceased saints (more idols). And blasphemies of blasphemies, they worship the Pope!!@! And he receives it!!! The Bible forbids worshipping or praying to idols or humans.


No they don't. No it doesn't.


truelgbt wrote:If you go to a largely Catholic country in Latin America and, as a born-again Christian you hold a service on Sunday, no CATHOLIC will even come close. No way. They know you and they are different altogether.


That's because religionists are overwhelmingly driven by petty tribalism, tend to be the least educated and most violent individuals in societies - and both history and current affairs bears that out.


truelgbt wrote:Why ATHEISTS lump all churches together is because of ignorance.


You're deranged. Protestantism is a heresy of Catholicism. This is fact. There are more Catholic Christians than Protestants. This is fact. Declaring Catholics not Christian (and all the other mystical wibble) is an entirely typical bigoted delusion of crackpot Evangelical organisations.


truelgbt wrote: You don't live in a CATHOLIC country where the differences are acute and obvious so you don't understand the ways of the church or the culture of it in Latin American countries, for example.


You don't know where I live, or where I have lived, so your declaration is more nonsense. On top of that, it's not actually a requisite to live in a country to understand its politics and society adequately, or else we wouldn't be able to study History, for example... well, by 'we' I obviously don't include you.


truelgbt wrote:So when we hear about pedophilia within the CATHOLIC clergy, we should not be surprised. They are acting out exactly what they are....the FALSE Church of the endtimes.


So shall we start looking at the pedophilia rampant in the Protestant Christian churches then? Going to start making excuses about how they're not Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879 but those awful degenerates of the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?

This is mindless tribalism, and it is entirely consistent with everything else you've produced here. You live in a world of petty hatreds and it is your religious belief fueling it.


truelgbt wrote:What about the CATHOLIC Crusades and CATHOLIC inquisition which is ignorantly blamed on all churches?


Otherwise known as CHRISTIAN Crusades and CHRISTIAN Inquisition, not least because there were no Protestants at all at the time.




truelgbt wrote:The CATHOLIC Crusades and the CATHOLIC Inquisition MURDERED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CHRISTIANS for refusing to bow to the Pope?


Yeah, nasty history of CHRISTIANITY, isn't it?


truelgbt wrote:And now is being blamed on Christians - who were murdered??? WHAAT?


Christians were murdered by the Pope in the Crusades and Inquisition?

You really think the way the world works is that first you produce uncritical prejudice derived from abject ignorance, then you decree that reality conforms.

Sadly for you, that's not at all how it works and it just makes you look deranged and vicious.
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#993  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 12, 2021 5:58 am

truelgbt wrote:As I said before, I am soooooo glad to hear some motivated ATHEIST individuals at AAI decided to speak out against what their fellow ATHEISTS in China were doing by committing genocide against the Uyghur Muslim ethnic minority group. A bit late since they made their statement in 2021 and the genocide has been going on since 2014 or earlier, but better late than never. Kudos to them!!!



No you didn't say this before.

And more vicious bullshit.

I don't know how you can be so motivated to engage in such widespread hate-mongering to strangers on the internet, but you desperately need help before this anger and hatred boils over into the real world and you commit some real-world harm based on your fuckwitted prejudice.


truelgbt wrote:I can understand why ATHEISTS would hesitate to speak out against other ATHEISTS but not on the matter of genocide.


Let's make this perfectly clear: the idea that you understand ANYTHING is completely lacking in any degree of credibility.


truelgbt wrote:Have any of you here - Spearchucker, Bart, Hermit, etc. bothered to mention or speak out against the ATHEIST genocide here on this forum or any other forum? What response did you get?


It's not an atheist genocide - your vacuous, vicious prejudice does not decree reality.

As for the inhumane treatment of the Uighurs by the Chinese authorities: we've all spoken about it on this forum, and probably many of us have spoken about it on other fora - your ignorance does not decree reality.
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#994  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 12, 2021 6:04 am

truelgbt wrote:Let's not forget the ATHEIST Genocide body count on the OP, plus the 9 million Uyghurs, we have at least 163 MILLION bodies.


So, all you now need to do is to justify your contention that this has anything to do with atheism.

And whatever that justification is needs to amount to more than you engaging in anonymous hate-mongering on the internet, you sad little man.


truelgbt wrote:(IMHO, the Uyghur genocide should have been included in the original OP right up front and center).


Because you care so much, amirite? A violent, vicious bigoted individual really deeply cares about what's happening to heathens in another country! :lol:


truelgbt wrote:Nobody here has addressed this 163 MILLION body count yet. Anybody?


The 163 million body count that you have produced evidence for?

Or the entirely typical fantasy you concoct and then pretend is reality?


truelgbt wrote:This is not a Catholic body count, a Christian body count, or a Protestant body count, but an ATHEIST body count.


It's not at all - and your ignorant prejudice doesn't make it so.

Whereas, if we were to count up the dead who were killed expressly in the name of Christianity, it'd still be far, far higher. Hundreds of thousands burned as witches, hundreds of thousands of pagans forcibly converted, millions of Jews killed for being 'Christ-killers' in the incessant pogroms committed by Christians over the ages.

We all know history, vicious dude, so your vacuous hate-mongering isn't going to work here.
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#995  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 12, 2021 6:07 am

In the U.S., the 3 companies which provide insurance for Christian churches report more cases filed each year for the sexual abuse of children by PROTESTANT churches than Catholic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16protestant.html

Of course, they're ALL CHRISTIAN churches, run and operated by CHRISTIANS, so we can simply total them up and point to the travesty of an institution which claims moral high ground while its clergy are running round fucking children.
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#996  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 12, 2021 6:12 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-39299861

Australia's Anglican church gets 1,115 child abuse complaints

More than 1,100 complaints of child sexual abuse have been made against the Anglican Church of Australia, a royal commission inquiry has heard.

The allegations, dating from 1980 to 2015, have been made against 569 church figures, including 247 ordained clergy.

The Anglican Church has admitted trying to keep victims quiet to protect its reputation.


That's 32 instances on average a year of a PROTESTANT Christian member of the clergy engaging in kiddie-fiddling in Austalia alone.

What is it about Christianity and a predilection for sexually abusing children?
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#997  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 12, 2021 6:16 am

You haven't got round to dismissing the next largest group of Christians yet: Eastern Orthodox Christianity.

What empty-headed bigotry are you going to engage in against them?
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#998  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 12, 2021 6:17 am

Emo Philips wrote:Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.



The reason it's funny is because it's a caricature of how religionists behave that captures an essential component of the violent tribalism at the heart of such beliefs. You know, just like you're espousing.
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#999  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 12, 2021 6:21 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

The Uyghur genocide is the characterization of the series of human rights abuses committed by the government of China against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang as genocide. Since 2014, the Chinese government under the direction of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) during the administration of CCP general secretary Xi Jinping has pursued policies that incarcerated more than an estimated one million Muslims (the majority of them Uyghurs) in internment camps without any legal process.[2][3][4] This was the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[5][6] Thousands of mosques were destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of children were forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools.[7][8][9]

Government policies have included the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs in state-sponsored internment camps,[10][11] forced labor,[12][13] suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[14] political indoctrination,[15] severe ill-treatment,[16] forced sterilization,[17] forced contraception,[18][19] and forced abortion.[20][21] Chinese government statistics reported that from 2015 to 2018, birth rates in the mostly Uyghur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60%.[17] In the same period, the birth rate of the whole country decreased by 9.69%, from 12.07 to 10.9 per 1,000 people.[22] Chinese authorities acknowledged that birth rates dropped by almost a third in 2018 in Xinjiang, but denied reports of forced sterilization and genocide.[23] Birth rates in Xinjiang fell a further 24% in 2019 (compared to a nationwide decrease of 4.2%).[17]

At first, these actions were described as the forced assimilation of Xinjiang, and an ethnocide or cultural genocide.[24][25] As more details emerged, some governments, activists, independent NGOs, human rights experts, academics and the East Turkistan Government-in-Exile termed it genocide, pointing to the definition laid out in the Genocide Convention.[26][27][28][29]

International reactions have been diverse. Some United Nations (UN) member states issued statements to the United Nations Human Rights Council condemning China's policies, while others supported China's policies.[30] In December 2020, the International Criminal Court declined to take investigate China on jurisdictional grounds.[31][32] The United States was the first country to declare the human rights abuses a genocide, announcing its finding on January 19, 2021,[33] although the US State Department's Office of the Legal Adviser concluded that evidence was insufficient to prove genocide.[34] Legislatures in multiple countries followed by passing non-binding motions marking China's actions as genocide, including the House of Commons of Canada,[35] the Dutch parliament,[36] the House of Commons of the United Kingdom[37] and the Seimas of Lithuania.[38] Other parliaments, such as those in New Zealand,[39] Belgium,[40] and the Czech Republic condemned the Chinese government's treatment of Uyghurs as "severe human rights abuses" or crimes against humanity.[41]


No mention of atheism or non-belief being relevant here, because no one - absent vicious, demented bigots - considers it an example of atheists engaging in genocide.

In fact, there's no mention in the entire body of text, nor in any report by any world organisation that even superficially links the Chinese genocide of Uighurs to atheism because those people have a clue and aren't motivated by hatred to engage in vicious anonymous trolling on the internet.
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Re: Are Genocides Associated with Atheists?

#1000  Postby BlackBart » Oct 12, 2021 3:01 pm

The usual myopic bigotry - Chinese human rights violations are no more motivated by lack of belief in Middle Eastern superstition than it is by a lack of belief in the Cottingley fairies. Myside bias painting the world with it's own ignorant intolerance yet again.
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