FACT: Cortes was not a born again Christian; he was a Catholic. The Catholic Church is the False Church of the endtimes.

FACT: Mao Zedong was No True Atheist. A True Atheist wouldn't murder people, therefore Mao wasn't an atheist.

That's how this works, right?

So you've got the answer to all your vapid trolling now... courtesy of your own motivated 'thinking'.

Mao was a theist. We know this because the Bible says everyone is a theist. Checkmate atheists... er... theists.

If Mao was a theist, why do his own statements in the opening post say otherwise? Here is a direct quote from the opening post:

- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated "Religion is poison." and "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."; He made atheism the official ideology of China and flooded the media and schools with atheistic propaganda; lived an opulent lifestyle while the common people starved; his regime caused the deaths of 40 to 70 million people by starvation, torture, and executions.

Unless you cite references stating these are not attributable to Mao, these Mao quotes stand as Mao quotes.

My Google search indicates Mao actually said "Religion is poison." He did not claim to be a theist as far as I can tell.

Once again, if atheists cannot or will not come to grips with the FACT that multiple ATHEIST regimes in the 20th Century, and even the modern-day ATHEIST Chinese Communist Party are guilty of genocide, ATHEISTS will continue this trend. Not saying you personally of course, but ATHEISTS somewhere in the world will try genocide again, just based on the probabilities and historical trend. This trend needs to stop.

truelgbt wrote:If Mao was a theist,....

Mao didn't say he was a theist: YOU said that EVERYONE is a theist.

truelgbt wrote:
According to the Bible, EVERYONE IS A THEIST. No exceptions.

Of course, we're all familiar enough with your type of vacuous bigotry to know that you don't know what you're talking about and that the reason you're unable to be consistent is because you're making it all up as you go along just to be a bigoted asshat to strangers on the internet.

truelgbt wrote:If Mao was a theist, why do his own statements in the opening post say otherwise? Here is a direct quote from the opening post:

Who cares what he fucking said? He was a fallible human being, remember? And as you said, who are we going to believe? The literal word of God which said everyone (No exceptions) is a theist or a fallible human?

Jesus H. Christ in a Datsun Cherry, you can't even keep track of your own half-arsed trolling attempts!

truelgbt wrote:- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author;

Citation, please.

I'm not sure why anyone should care, even if Darwin was Mao's favorite author. I imagine the next point is something about social darwinism? What responsibility is it of Darwin's if someone, anyone, extrapolates some bizarre social policy out of natural phenomena?

No one cares, I can be sure of that. Not even Trev.

However, it is bullshit, and thus watching Trev squirm or evade having been caught making up bullshit yet again, will continue to show what his actual motivation and MO is here in case anyone had failed to notice yet.

I'll bet Mao read the Bible too - but I bet ya Trev wouldn't consider it reasonable to thereby consider the Bible correlated with Mao's violence.

truelgbt wrote:If Mao was a theist, why do his own statements in the opening post say otherwise? Here is a direct quote from the opening post:

- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated "Religion is poison." and "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."...

Unless you cite references stating these are not attributable to Mao, these Mao quotes stand as Mao quotes.

You didn't cite references showing they are attributable to Mao: nice attempt at having completely different standards for your dreck.

What you did was cite another person whose entire motivation in coming to this forum was to engage in anonymous bigotry directed at people for the sole reason that they don't share his faith.

You uncritically regurgitated that statement as if it were fact solely because it conforms to your vapid bias.

But the real world gives no fucks at all at what ignorance motivates Trev's bigotry - so do feel free to stop tugging at yourself, and provide a citation, otherwise your claim is not only dismissed, but it exposes how febrile and deranged your hatred of heretics really is.

truelgbt wrote:- Mao Zedong (died 1976): Atheist, with Darwin as his favorite author; he stated "Religion is poison." and "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."

truelgbt wrote:Unless you cite references stating these are not attributable to Mao, these Mao quotes stand as Mao quotes.

You got that arse about face. The burden of proof lies with you. Unless you can cite references proving that the alleged Mao quotes are in fact what Mao said, these quotes remain unsubstantiated allegations.

I challenge you to cite primary sources proving that
a) Darwin was Mao Zedong's favourite author.
b) Mao Zedong stated "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."

A quick google search (which is more exhaustive research than this dreck deserves) and the only places the Mao "quote" comes up are on religious wibble sites.

Finding a credible source for this quote (if indeed one exists) is going to be quite challenging for truelgbt.

Sendraks wrote:A quick google search (which is more exhaustive research than this dreck deserves) and the only places the Mao "quote" comes up are on religious wibble sites.

Finding a credible source for this quote (if indeed one exists) is going to be quite challenging for truelgbt.

Debunking false assertions can be an enjoyable pastime. When I challenged truelgbt to cite his source I already knew it.

Googling "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin" returns 49 results, most of them without further information. Only about dozen do. They cite Adnan Oktar, a Muslim, sex cult leader, conspiracy theorist, preacher, anti-evolutionistand holocaust denier who writes under the pen name of Harun Yahya.

In Part 4 of Yahya's book, The Disasters Darwinism Brought To Humanity, he claimed

Mao openly announced the philosophical foundation of the system he established by saying, "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."

and gave the source as "K. Mehnert, Kampf um Mao's Erbe, Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt, 1977".

Note that no page is referenced, which is not surprising, for the quote allegedly uttered by Mao does not exist. I checked. The book is accessible here, and if you register (for free), it is searchable. The word "Darwin" appears in the body of the text exactly once, and not in the context of what Mao has said anywhere at any time. This is what Mehnert actually wrote (page 155. My translation):

Ernst Haeckel (1843-1919) was still completely a child of the 19th century that believed in progress and was optimistic, an intellectual descendent of Charles Darwin.

Yes, that is the sum-total of truelgbt's evidence (amounting to zero) unless he can provide additional information.

It might be worth mentioning that Mao's philosophical foundations are dialectical materialism, the class struggle and constant revolution. The theory of evolution just happened to fit in with those views. That is why he told the German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt during a visit in 1975 that these four people were chiefly responsible for his intellectual development: Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Ernst Haeckel.

About Mehnert: His book is surprisingly good for someone who was the publisher of The XXth Century, an English language magazine in Shanghai from 1941 to 1945. The magazine was financed by Hitler's ministry of foreign affairs, so basically supposed to serve as a Nazi propaganda tool. Mehnert described his views as nationalist, non-Marxist socialist, with the emphasis on socialist. He regarded himself as a German and European world-citizen. With the reprehensible Nazi policies he had no truck. In the early 1920s he participated in discussion meetings organised by both the KPD and the NSDAP without subscribing to either party. In 1928 he graduated with a doctorate in politics at the University of California, Berkeley (where he subsequently taught modern history and political science as guest professor in 1936 and 1937). Along with being fluent in German, English, Russian, Cantonese and Mandarin, this gave him a sound basis for analysis. His book, Kampf um Maos Erbe examines the struggle concerning who will succeed Mao. It is well worth reading. Unfortunately there does not appear to be an English translation.

Its inevitably the case, and played out in microcosm here.

Carl, the original poster of this thread, who is hostile to atheists (and no doubt every other religious adherent than his own brethren) and science that isn't amenable to theistic distortion, makes a fact-free assertion designed to paint his ideological enemies in a bad light. Others, like Trev here, motivated by the same bad faith hostility, simply assume it to be true (or just don't give a fuck about truth and honesty) and uncritically regurgitate it without even a passing attempt at verifying it. No doubt, some day some other ideologically angsty person will - via Google - find Trev's assertion above, and copy and paste it without a care for accuracy or reality - all in service to ideologically motivated hatred. The bullshit mill keeps spinning, confirmation bias keeps confirming the bias, and comforting ignorance is retained to keep those ideological blinkers firmly attached.

Hermit wrote:It might be worth mentioning that Mao's philosophical foundations are dialectical materialism, the class struggle and constant revolution.

Exactly: Mao's (and the CCP's) motivating ideology isn't atheism, it's Marxist Communism. Trev, clearly struggling with history and elementary facts, hasn't quite grokked this yet... or more likely, doesn't give a fuck about real world facts when they can't be harnessed to champion ideologically motivated hatred.

Well done ....that's not just gnawing on a chew toy that is getting a bit old but a complete dissection...or perhaps evisceration.

Hermit wrote:Googling "Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin" returns 49 results, most of them without further information. Only about dozen do. They cite Adnan Oktar, a Muslim, sex cult leader, conspiracy theorist, preacher, anti-evolutionistand holocaust denier who writes under the pen name of Harun Yahya.

Famous in these parts for publishing a book comparing a caddis fly to a fishing lure, among other things.

Also, as is no doubt of absolutely vital importance to Trev, Adnan Oktar also admonishes Christians...

Many of our Christian brothers overreact on the subject of the Gospel having changed over time and never accept any such idea.

They regard this as a sort of "renunciation of their faith": It is of course understandable for Christians to react against claims that their faith has become corrupted. However, in order to establish whether this is something that should never be mentioned and whether it might represent a renunciation of faith they need to reflect a little, look at the history of Christianity and reexamine all these in the light of the Gospel.

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The important thing, therefore, is to evaluate the Gospel in the light of the Koran in order to identify its true pronouncements and to think in a manner compatible with reason and good conscience.

That's right Trev - your holy book is wrong, and you need to read the Qur'an to find the truth!

Remember: it's your own ignorance and hubris that forces you to uncritically genuflect to the idiot assertions of this guy because those assertions conform to your preconceived beliefs, then to deny the idiot assertions of this guy because those assertions contradict your preconceived beliefs.

People like you are thus easily controlled, easily led around by the nose, easily lied to - you're basically a con man's gold mine.

Fools gold at that. Worthless in essence on all counts

How about the war on Christmas? Checkmate atheists.

The_Piper wrote:How about the war on Christmas? Checkmate atheists.

Bumhug! I mean Humbug!