Why were many of history's most brutal regimes authored by atheists?
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Hermit wrote:Not this canard again. Yes, atheist dictators have committed mass murders in the 20th century. So have theist dictators. Dictators are psychopaths regardless of whether they subscribe to a religion, or not.
truelgbt wrote:
The atheist genocidal dictator did not carry out the millions of murders by himself. He needed help.
From who? Those who had the same mindset as he (the murderous atheist) of course. Who else?
When anyone builds a regime, he surrounds himself with like-minded people who will agree with, and carry out his murderous plans without complaint. If the leader is an atheist, he will not surround himself with and expect help from Christians, for example. Or Jews. Especially since Christians and Jews were included in those murdered.
Which brings up another question: How many Jews, Christians, and people of faith in general, in total millions, were murdered by these atheist regimes? Pastors, rabbis, nuns, priests, elders, and regular attendees of churches, temples, and synagogues?
In the case of these many genocidal atheist dictators (which pretty much covers all of the dictators of the 20th century), each one of them had lots of helpers to murder lots of people. Lots of helpers. In fact, tens of thousands of helpers.
Any sensible person would have to suspect that many of those 'helpers' were themselves atheists.
Hermit wrote:Spearthrower wrote:Ahh but the atheist maniacally psychopathic murdering dictators are worse than the theist maniacally psychopathic murdering dictators because scripture doesn't justify their maniacal psychopathic murder!
Actually, not only does scripture justify maniacal psychopathic murder, it explicitly commands it.
Deuteronomy 7:2And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them
Deuteronomy 20:16-18But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth
But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee
That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.
Doubtdispelled wrote:truelgbt wrote:
The atheist genocidal dictator did not carry out the millions of murders by himself. He needed help.
From who? Those who had the same mindset as he (the murderous atheist) of course. Who else?
When anyone builds a regime, he surrounds himself with like-minded people who will agree with, and carry out his murderous plans without complaint. If the leader is an atheist, he will not surround himself with and expect help from Christians, for example. Or Jews. Especially since Christians and Jews were included in those murdered.
Which brings up another question: How many Jews, Christians, and people of faith in general, in total millions, were murdered by these atheist regimes? Pastors, rabbis, nuns, priests, elders, and regular attendees of churches, temples, and synagogues?
In the case of these many genocidal atheist dictators (which pretty much covers all of the dictators of the 20th century), each one of them had lots of helpers to murder lots of people. Lots of helpers. In fact, tens of thousands of helpers.
Any sensible person would have to suspect that many of those 'helpers' were themselves atheists.
You have absolutely no idea how genocidal dictatorships work, do you?
truelgbt wrote:
1) You don't even believe the Bible so you don't believe these killings even happened or were ordered by God or anyone else, correct?
truelgbt wrote:2) God did order killings for those who were from hybrid people groups living in specific cities though.
truelgbt wrote: Heavenly creatures called "Sons of God" (not angels/demons, not Seth's relatives) under Satan's control came to earth and had sex with women, resulting in hybrids (Nephilim) rather than humans.
truelgbt wrote:The ill-tempered and violent Goliath is mentioned as one of them, along with his brothers.
truelgbt wrote: This was Satan's attempt to distort/corrupt God's work of creating man in His Image.
truelgbt wrote:This is why King David executed war captives who were extra tall/huge and why the Israelites initially refused to even attempt to conquer Palestine, despite their own powerful military strength .
truelgbt wrote:The extremely violent Nephilim filled the world with murder, resulting in God's Judgment through the Flood. If God had not destroyed the Nephilim, it is quite possible mankind would not exist today.
truelgbt wrote:Genesis 6: "When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."
truelgbt wrote:
And you do because you have first-hand experience? If so, I bet he was an atheist.
truelgbt wrote:Why is it that the vast majority of the most vicious dictators of the 20th century are atheist?
truelgbt wrote: You can look up their own words and see that they are indeed atheists.
truelgbt wrote: Its ridiculous to deny it at this point.
truelgbt wrote: Is it just a terrible coincidence?
truelgbt wrote: A terrible misunderstanding?
Hermit wrote: Yes, atheist dictators have committed mass murders in the 20th century. So have theist dictators. Dictators are psychopaths regardless of whether they subscribe to a religion, or not.
No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect their universal generalization from a falsifying counterexample by excluding the counterexample improperly.[1][2][3] Rather than abandoning the falsified universal generalization or providing evidence that would disqualify the falsifying counterexample, a slightly modified generalization is constructed ad-hoc to definitionally exclude the undesirable specific case and counterexamples like it by appeal to rhetoric.[4] This rhetoric takes the form of emotionally charged but nonsubstantive purity platitudes such as "true, pure, genuine, authentic, real", etc.[2][5]
Philosophy professor Bradley Dowden explains the fallacy as an "ad hoc rescue" of a refuted generalization attempt.[1] The following is a simplified rendition of the fallacy:[6]
Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
Person B: "But my uncle Angus is a Scotsman and he puts sugar on his porridge."
Person A: "But no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
truelgbt wrote:Muslim suicide bombers are theists and look at all the blood on their hands.
truelgbt wrote:Hermit wrote: Yes, atheist dictators have committed mass murders in the 20th century. So have theist dictators. Dictators are psychopaths regardless of whether they subscribe to a religion, or not.
Hermit - Someone else answered my question to you, but not you. So here it is again.
What born-again Christian can you specifically name, who specifically named Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, who was also a dictator who killed millions - just like all of those atheist dictators listed in the OP?
The reason I ask this is because many people in the USA claim to be theists - up to 70%. Yet, 70% of the population do not go to a Christian church or claim to be born-again or name Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
They are simply theists - they believe in the EXISTENCE of God and that's all. Coming to the conclusion that a God or god exists is a reasonable conclusion based on the evidence but that does not make anyone a Christian. Muslim suicide bombers are theists and look at all the blood on their hands.
So, please name a born-again Christian who was also a dictator. Will wait for your answer.
The Oxford Handbook of Religion and American Politics notes: "The GSS ... has asked a born-again question on three occasions ... 'Would you say you have been 'born again' or have had a 'born-again' experience?" The Handbook says that "Evangelical, black, and Latino Protestants tend to respond similarly, with about two-thirds of each group answering in the affirmative. In contrast, only about one third of mainline Protestants and one sixth of Catholics (Anglo and Latino) claim a born-again experience." However, the handbook suggests that "born-again questions are poor measures even for capturing evangelical respondents. ... it is likely that people who report a born-again experience also claim it as an identity.
BlackBart wrote:Notice how we get the inevitable grubby goalpost shifting and no true scotsmans? It's the usual predictable dishonest MO. Not the first, won't be the last.
As if 'Born-again' actually means anything.A trivial web search will bring up 'Born Agains' caught kiddie fiddling as well as bog standard Christian kiddie fiddlers.
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