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#1001  Postby THWOTH » Jan 17, 2012 5:36 pm

Jeez, the neopythagorianists are the worst, 'specially the fundamentalist ones. :D
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#1002  Postby chriscase » Jan 17, 2012 6:34 pm

NOT(NOT(A)) = A.

Pagans are not neccesarily theists.
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#1003  Postby Agrippina » Jan 17, 2012 6:47 pm

Nah! They're nothing as bad as the Bieberists and the Kardashianists.
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#1004  Postby Mister Agenda » Jan 17, 2012 7:26 pm

I suppose pagan is too much of a blanket term. 'Polytheists', then.
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#1005  Postby tolman » Jan 17, 2012 9:37 pm

Mister Agenda wrote:I think it's worth pointing out that there's no such consistency among theists, either, a group which includes everyone who is not an atheist: pagans, popes, and neopythagorianists.

No, but it's surprising how many believers in gods seem to claim divine approval of their own opinions, which, while not necessarily preventing them trying to give extra justifications for what they claim is True, gives a fallback position of "[deity] wants it" in the case that rational argument fails.

That, quite specifically, is what Atheists don't do.

Now, some people (believers in gods or atheists) who wish not to really think further about a decision than they already have might try and do a rough equivalent by appealing to one or other 'principle' which happens to fit more or less well with what they believe, but at least 'principles' can be questioned more easily than gods, or shown to partially conflict with each other without giving someone an chance to take umbrage quite as easily as they might manufacture vicarious offence on their deity's behalf if inconsistencies in their deity's supposed rules are pointed out.
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#1006  Postby chriscase » Jan 17, 2012 9:47 pm

Mister Agenda wrote:I suppose pagan is too much of a blanket term. 'Polytheists', then.

The negation of the negation of theism is theism. So long as "polytheism" qualifies as theism, you are good to go. What's misleading is that monotheism is generally considered to be synonymous with theism, and monotheists disavow polytheism as vehemently as they do atheism.

But I suppose you are right. Polytheists can't be considered atheists, since they do believe in gods.
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#1007  Postby dreamweaver » Jan 17, 2012 10:09 pm

I guess we atheists can apply to the tax office and allow them to decide: :ask:

Religious institution

Your organisation will be a religious institution if it is an establishment, organisation or association that is instituted to advance or promote religious purposes.

An institution may have the legal structure of an unincorporated association or a corporation. However, incorporation is not enough, on its own, for an organisation to be an institution. Its activities, size, permanence and recognition will be relevant.

An organisation that is established controlled and operated by family members and friends would not normally be an institution.

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A corporation is set up and controlled by a family. Its object is to spread the gospel. The only activities are holding assets and arranging for the father of the family to speak at churches on some Sundays.

The corporation is not an institution.


An institution will be a religious institution if:

its objects and activities reflect its character as a body instituted for the promotion of some religious object, and
the beliefs and practices of the members constitute a religion.
The term 'religion' is not confined to major religions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, but also extends to Buddhism, Taoism, Jehovah's Witness, the Free Daist Communion of Australia and Scientology. The categories of religion are not closed. Nonetheless, to be a religion there must be:

belief in a supernatural being, thing or principle, and
acceptance of canons of conduct that give effect to that belief, but that do not offend against the ordinary laws.


http://www.ato.gov.au/nonprofit/content.aspx?doc=/content/34269.htm&page=10

And atheism fits this description... how...?
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#1008  Postby Agrippina » Jan 18, 2012 7:41 am

The trouble is we'd have to go to all the trouble of setting up an organization, pay membership fees and choose officials. That would remove me as the high priestess of atheism, besides I'm far too lazy to join an organization that doesn't believe in anything.
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#1009  Postby Oldskeptic » Jan 18, 2012 11:35 am

Agrippina wrote:The trouble is we'd have to go to all the trouble of setting up an organization, pay membership fees and choose officials. That would remove me as the high priestess of atheism, besides I'm far too lazy to join an organization that doesn't believe in anything.


Or as Groucho Marx said, "I wouldn't join a club that would have me as a member."
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#1010  Postby Agrippina » Jan 18, 2012 3:32 pm

:rofl: I'd get demoted at the first meeting: "shut the hell up Aggie, give someone else a turn to speak!!!"
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#1011  Postby chairman bill » Jan 18, 2012 6:36 pm

chriscase wrote:NOT(NOT(A)) = A.

Pagans are not neccesarily theists.


Clearly not. They include pantheists, panentheists, deists & atheists
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#1012  Postby starr » Feb 01, 2012 10:13 pm

ChasM wrote:

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My kid lost her lost tooth the other night, and as we couldn't find it, the Tooth Fairy never dropped a couple of bucks under her pillow. I asked her if, should I find it, I were to put it under my pillow, would I get the $2. Apparently not. Has to be a kid. I suppose a-fairyists such as myself, having such a strong system of belief (religion) that fairies do not, in fact, exist, are forever excluded from the economic benefits of fairyism.

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#1013  Postby LucidFlight » Feb 01, 2012 11:22 pm

They may look pretty, but those sparks hurt like hell.
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#1014  Postby ChasM » Feb 02, 2012 5:16 am

...and those sparks are quite hypnotic. Induced into a trance, I found myself actually believing... :hypno:
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#1015  Postby THWOTH » Feb 02, 2012 12:41 pm

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#1016  Postby chriscase » Feb 02, 2012 4:35 pm

If fairies look like that, I want to believe.
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#1017  Postby ChasM » Feb 02, 2012 5:13 pm

THWOTH wrote:[youtube]Peter Pan

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So if I just keep repeating "I do believe in fairies" then fairies are true?

And what's the difference between a fairy and a nymph, anyway? I rather like nymphs and wish to incorporate them into my Atheist Belief System®...
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#1018  Postby THWOTH » Feb 02, 2012 7:32 pm

Starr will be along shortly to fill you in on that subtle, yet important distinction. :nod:
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#1019  Postby NilsGLindgren » Feb 02, 2012 7:33 pm

... well, nymphs are the larvae of dragon flies ... somehow I believe that s not the direction of your thoughts ...
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