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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#241  Postby Fallible » May 28, 2016 9:12 pm

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#242  Postby John Platko » May 28, 2016 9:20 pm

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Won't cut it as a valid refutation of the scientific work and ideas that I presented from world class scientists. :nono:
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#243  Postby Fallible » May 28, 2016 9:26 pm

You can't jump the same shark twice, John. :nono:
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#244  Postby John Platko » May 28, 2016 9:50 pm

Fallible wrote:You can't jump the same shark twice, John. :nono:


:scratch: Does that refute the science of prayer? :nono:
:scratch: Does that refute the linkage between CBT and prayer that I have now demonstrated here? :nono:

Got anything substantial to say about this?

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#245  Postby Fallible » May 28, 2016 10:07 pm

John. Not gonna work, mate.
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#246  Postby John Platko » May 28, 2016 10:50 pm

Fallible wrote:John. Not gonna work, mate.


Work? I need nothing more to work. I have explained how prayer works by imagining the god of your choice both here and in the related thread. I have provided evidence from world class experts concurring with the gist of what I said. The work is done. The heavy lifting is done. Claims of no true Scotsman, and humpty dumpty have been appropriately dealt with - rationally.
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#247  Postby Fallible » May 29, 2016 7:58 am

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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#248  Postby surreptitious57 » May 29, 2016 8:56 am

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I was cooking eggs this morning while pondering atheists praying to large long haired lesbians and such it dawned on me that
the risk reward of atheists engaging in such prayer might lean more toward the reward column than it would for the average theist who often seems to get their idea maps into the weeds because they actually believe that the God they are imagining exists beyond the substrate of their neural fabric. History is littered with the batty ideas that actual belief can lead to. It is
just a hypothesis mind you and there are reasons to think it not true Prof Lurhmann seems to highly rate the importance of believing in the God you imagine and the word imagine might make belief difficult for some. Still it is worth pondering

What exactly is the point in simply imagining God exists as opposed to actually thinking he does ? You might as well
forgo such an obvious self delusion if it is the extent of your belief. I would suggest that for all believers God is real
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#249  Postby John Platko » May 29, 2016 2:56 pm

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That's not going to refute anything. :nono:
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#250  Postby John Platko » May 29, 2016 3:13 pm

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I was cooking eggs this morning while pondering atheists praying to large long haired lesbians and such it dawned on me that
the risk reward of atheists engaging in such prayer might lean more toward the reward column than it would for the average theist who often seems to get their idea maps into the weeds because they actually believe that the God they are imagining exists beyond the substrate of their neural fabric. History is littered with the batty ideas that actual belief can lead to. It is
just a hypothesis mind you and there are reasons to think it not true Prof Lurhmann seems to highly rate the importance of believing in the God you imagine and the word imagine might make belief difficult for some. Still it is worth pondering

What exactly is the point in simply imagining God exists as opposed to actually thinking he does ? You might as well
forgo such an obvious self delusion if it is the extent of your belief. I would suggest that for all believers God is real


As has been demonstrated in this thread and elsewhere, it is simply not true that for all believers God is known to be real. What is true, is that what all believers know about God comes from their imagination or the imagination of others, we know this to be true because how else could people know about God?

Why would someone what to believe in something they know they are imagining?- because it has been demonstrated to be an effective thing to do. It can work before a golf or tennis shot. And if praying to a large long haired lesbian is what you need to do to loose weight then why not get on your knees and ...

See here for links to how praying to a long haired lesbian helped an atheist loose weight. I've provided links to a psychological anthropologist who explains how prayer is like self-talk in CBT therapy. In short, prayer can be an effective form of psychological therapy. There also seems to be some scientific evidence that it helps with certain metacognitive skills.
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#251  Postby surreptitious57 » May 29, 2016 4:15 pm

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I have provided links to a psychological anthropologist who explains how prayer is like self talk in CBT therapy. In short prayer can be an effective form of psychological therapy. There also seems to be some scientific evidence that it helps with certain metacognitive skills

If talking to yourself is an effective methodology within CBT then that completely eliminates the need to have an imaginary friend. Since changing the way you think is the whole raison d etre of CBT anyway then self assessment is not only desirable but necessary. And it can be achieved without invoking God especially if you do not actually believe in him in the first place Since the only person you do have to believe in is yourself. No one else
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#252  Postby surreptitious57 » May 29, 2016 4:39 pm

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See here for links to how praying to a long haired lesbian helped an atheist loose weight

He achieved that by eating less and / or exercising more and not by praying to his imaginary friend
Or do you think he would have lost weight if he just prayed to her but carried on eating like before
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#253  Postby John Platko » May 29, 2016 5:37 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
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I have provided links to a psychological anthropologist who explains how prayer is like self talk in CBT therapy. In short prayer can be an effective form of psychological therapy. There also seems to be some scientific evidence that it helps with certain metacognitive skills

If talking to yourself is an effective methodology within CBT then that completely eliminates the need to have an imaginary friend.


Can you provide some evidence that proves this to be true? I'm not trying to be smart assey by asking that, it's just that there is considerable evidence that indicates otherwise. (Remember the Darren Brown video where the woman imagined people where helping her through the week?)


Since changing the way you think is the whole raison d etre of CBT anyway then self assessment is not only desirable but necessary. And it can be achieved without invoking God especially if you do not actually believe in him in the first place Since the only person you do have to believe in is yourself. No one else


This may indeed be true for some, but that doesn't mean that others, for whatever reason, don't find beliefe in whatever god they are imagining to be helpful.

The example at hand is a case in point. I think we can all agree that one could loose weight without getting down on the their knees and praying to a large long haired lesbian, however in this case, that is the remedy that got the job done.
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#254  Postby Fallible » May 29, 2016 8:51 pm

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That's not going to refute anything. :nono:



That's not going to troll anyone. :nono:
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#255  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 04, 2017 6:27 pm

Off to AA in 20 minutes. Gets me out of the house and it's nice to be reassured you're not the only tea total in England!
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#256  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 04, 2017 8:38 pm

That was really good. Didn't speak as the meeting was very busy, but stayed behind for a chat with a couple of fellows afterwards. It's so nice to spend time with other alcoholics who understand the issues on a personal level. Looking forward to the next meeting.
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#257  Postby Keep It Real » Mar 10, 2017 7:23 pm

I'm starting step 3 tomorrow - turning my will and life over to the care of my higher power (god). That means no nicotine and plenty of hard work, as well as obviously abstaining from alcohol, illicit drugs and gambling. Meeting tomorrow morning 9:30.
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#258  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Mar 10, 2017 8:09 pm

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Where's Bassie?
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#259  Postby Keep It Real » May 06, 2017 3:22 pm

Well, that was a disaster. Got myself a sponsor at AA yesterday, but it turns out he's a complete prick. He persuaded me to go to a meeting this morning because he said we had to be in contact every morning at 10am, so I made it there, and he barely spoke two words to me. He did his usual long, boring, snobby share and then just fucked off! He also told me not to call him "mate" because he "wasn't here to be my friend". Well, I call everybody mate, including shop assistants and strangers who hold a door open for me. He strikes me as somebody who just cruises AA because he likes feeling superior at being sober for 4 years, and is actually just a pathetic sad little man with no warmth in his heart...particularly for males who are younger, better educated and bigger than him. I've seen his kind of derisive one-upmanship before and it's a vibe you get from people who've got a major chip on their shoulder. I was a fool not to have spotted it before. Next time I'm going for a mature, educated person, not some Chinese delivering 37 year old little prick. AA tonight and he won't be there...yippee! Anyway, fuck.
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Re: Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#260  Postby CarlPierce » Jun 27, 2017 3:36 pm

Never drunk alcohol in my life....I saw all the kids at school thinking it was grown up or something so vowed to do the opposite. No other food stuff seems to have so much subtle cultural baggage to push their product. You realise how stupid drink is if you apply their terms to other things. Wow you downed three bags of crisps what a man. Ill get the next round of chips in. You ate how many creme eggs you dog you will feel it tomorrow. I'm a 'hard' mash potato eater. Knowing crazy religious loons like AA are out there is enough to stop me ever even wanting to try drink.
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