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Atheistic definitions of the word god to use at AA

#1  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 30, 2016 12:43 pm

We have to pray to god and surrender to god and ask god for help, yet many in the group say they're not religious. So what higher power can I use? The spirit of righteousness which exists in us all but is not directly accessible perhaps....I like the meetings but am stumped by the god stuff for the most part. The meeting's tonight and I'm going to "share" for the first time so I can be possitive in telling the group I've been alcohol free for a month but I really want to tackle the difficult god problem when I share too as I'm sure there must be other people in the group who struggle with it. Any suggestions?
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#2  Postby surreptitious57 » Jan 30, 2016 12:51 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
So what higher power can I use

You could use your own self belief
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#3  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 30, 2016 12:56 pm

That's me though - my mind - not a higher power. At the moment I'm imaginings ome kind of supremely perfect form of thinking and behaving - like an ideal person, but just a concept, something to aspire to emulate and be guided by. Seems to work except I don't think you're supposed to try and be like god really...
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#4  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 30, 2016 1:03 pm

Then again, x-tians are supposed to emulate Jesus and he was god so maybe it does work...
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#5  Postby Rachel Bronwyn » Jan 30, 2016 1:13 pm

Can you just say the group of people there is the power beyond yourself that's going to enable you to overcome addiction?
what a terrible image
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#6  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 30, 2016 1:17 pm

Nice idea but it doesn't gel very well with the word "god" in a broader context which could well illicit cognitive dissonance by my mind. Might work for some people though :thumbup:
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#8  Postby DoctorE » Jan 30, 2016 1:48 pm

Maybe this will help
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#9  Postby Evolving » Jan 30, 2016 1:58 pm

I actually didn't know that AA was a religious group. Looking it up now, I see that, indeed, it is. Disappointing.

But on the Wikipedia page it has this quotation from "AA historian Ernest Kurz":

...more and more, Bill discovered that new adherents could get sober by believing in each other and in the strength of this group. Men [no women were members yet] who had proven over and over again, by extremely painful experience, that they could not get sober on their own had somehow become more powerful when two or three of them worked on their common problem. This, then—whatever it was that occurred among them—was what they could accept as a power greater than themselves. They did not need the Oxford Group.
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#10  Postby Alan B » Jan 30, 2016 3:28 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:Can you just say the group of people there is the power beyond yourself that's going to enable you to overcome addiction?


"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts."

Attributed to: Harry Stottle.

That does not imply that there is some mystical 'thingy' type power that one can tap to achieve an end.
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#11  Postby scott1328 » Jan 30, 2016 3:34 pm

There are other, non religious organizations to help with addiction problems. How about Secular Sobriety?
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#12  Postby Thommo » Jan 30, 2016 3:58 pm

According to Sophisticated Theologian James McGrath cats are gods. Do you have any pets you could worship?

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#13  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 30, 2016 4:08 pm

scott1328 wrote:There are other, non religious organizations to help with addiction problems. How about Secular Sobriety?


There isn't a meeting in my area and AA is just down the road, every Saturday night. I like the meetings - there are some really inspirational characters there who haven't had a drink for decades.

I think I've cracked it now, having read through the steps applying the definition of god I've outlined (the concept of the perfect being - something to emulate - Xtians do it for jesus so why can't I) and when I ask it to intervene I am encouraging my mind to strengthen that entity's image so I can see it more clearly and so emulate it, and when I worship it I am encouraging my adherence to that guiding "role model". Fuck, I could even go to church now I reckon :shock:
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#14  Postby scott1328 » Jan 30, 2016 4:26 pm

If an imaginary friend can help, more power to you.
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#15  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 30, 2016 4:35 pm

Cheers, that sums it up very nicely, an imaginary friend! Many things that are only imagined are powerful, after all.
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#16  Postby surreptitious57 » Jan 30, 2016 5:32 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
there are some really inspirational characters there who have not had a drink for decades

So take inspiration from them not an imaginary being who means nothing to you anyway
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#17  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 30, 2016 5:51 pm

surreptitious57 wrote:
Keep It Real wrote:
there are some really inspirational characters there who have not had a drink for decades

So take inspiration from them not an imaginary being who means nothing to you anyway


How did you get that from what I wrote? If it helps me in AA and influences me in other ways too then it means a lot to me. Might even help me with my writer's block. I'm still an atheist, but I have a definition of the word god which I can believe in (even if it only exists as an imagined entity). I get the worth of boast worlds - intellectual honesty and a helping hand.
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#18  Postby Keep It Real » Jan 30, 2016 6:39 pm

Don't feel you have to pussy foot around about this because I might get back on the bottle - I quit without AA and it's not essential to my continued abstinence.
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#19  Postby DoctorE » Jan 30, 2016 6:48 pm

I just got bored of... hated the hangover and the wasted time.
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#20  Postby surreptitious57 » Jan 30, 2016 7:06 pm

Keep It Real wrote:
I am still an atheist but I have a definition of the word god which I can believe in ( even if it only exists as an imagined entity )

Well that makes absolutely no sense at all but if it actually helps you to stay sober then who am I to question your logic
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