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SafeAsMilk wrote:If it makes him feel really warm and fuzzy inside to re-define words to his convenience, he's welcome. It's usually considered intellectually honest to explain to everyone that you're using your own special definitions for words first though, and work out alternatives for the meanings you've displaced.
laklak wrote:I'm a Roman Catholic. By that I mean that I don't believe in God, the Saints, Papal infallibility, or Jesus. I just like wine and crackers.
scherado wrote:Hermit wrote:Nobody has managed to explain to me by what criterion we can determine the point at which something becomes so unlikely that it could not possibly have occurred without the intercession of a supernatural entity. Until then an (un)likelihood, no matter how great or small the odds, will always remain just that - an (un)likelihood.
There is a name for the error one makes when thinking otherwise: Divine fallacy. It's also known, somewhat ironically, as the argument from incredulity. "X must be the result of superior, divine, alien or supernatural cause because it is unimaginable for it not to be so." Theists usually resort to it in conjunction with the fine-tuned universe.
Next.
Not so fast, oh So Secluded One: If you actually understand the several requirements for this event to have occurred, then how could you NOT be at a loss to explain? Please read this response.
Your reply read thus: "It couldn't have happened, because it's not possible."
scherado wrote:Are you an Atheist?
surreptitious57 wrote:All probabilities exist between 0 and I but do not include 0 and I themselves
Something with a definitive 0 probability is not going to happen
Something with a definitive I probability is going to happen
Something that is definitive cannot also be probable
Probability can only pertain to the non definitive
Cito di Pense wrote:surreptitious57 wrote:All probabilities exist between 0 and I but do not include 0 and I themselves
Something with a definitive 0 probability is not going to happen
Something with a definitive I probability is going to happen
Something that is definitive cannot also be probable
Probability can only pertain to the non definitive
And then what?
Hermit wrote:...
You totally misread my post. Putting my reply in other words, it reads: No matter how high or low the odds of an event occurring, I see nothing that turns an unlikelihood into an impossibility. Or in yet other words: As odds increase, the likelihood of an event occurring decreases. It keeps approaching zero, but never quite gets there while those odds are calculable.
So, my reply is the opposite of how you read it.
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scherado wrote:
There must be data for a probability to be calculable. What is the probability of an event occurring that has not ever occurred? It's NOT calculable.
scherado wrote:Hermit wrote:...
You totally misread my post. Putting my reply in other words, it reads: No matter how high or low the odds of an event occurring, I see nothing that turns an unlikelihood into an impossibility. Or in yet other words: As odds increase, the likelihood of an event occurring decreases. It keeps approaching zero, but never quite gets there while those odds are calculable.
So, my reply is the opposite of how you read it.
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I intentionally used the word "likelihood" in the OP. A calculable probability is a very specific mathematical process, with formulas. The events described in the OP are specific and your generalities don't address that. The specifics of the book/binding-split/word/word-heard should be addressed specifically. That you have not, is the reason I read your reply as: "It couldn't have happened, because it's not possible."
There must be data for a probability to be calculable. What is the probability of an event occurring that has not ever occurred? It's NOT calculable.
there was a time that I thought it would be a good idea to be observant for any "signs," yes, evidence of god.
that any, "sign," would be Mathematical in theme; that it would be an event so improbable as to have an incomprehensibly small likelihood of occurring.
Nobody has managed to explain to me by what criterion we can determine the point at which something becomes so unlikely that it could not possibly have occurred without the intercession of a supernatural entity. Until then an (un)likelihood, no matter how great or small the odds, will always remain just that - an (un)likelihood.
Hermit wrote:scherado wrote:Hermit wrote:...
You totally misread my post. Putting my reply in other words, it reads: No matter how high or low the odds of an event occurring, I see nothing that turns an unlikelihood into an impossibility. Or in yet other words: As odds increase, the likelihood of an event occurring decreases. It keeps approaching zero, but never quite gets there while those odds are calculable.
So, my reply is the opposite of how you read it.
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I intentionally used the word "likelihood" in the OP. A calculable probability is a very specific mathematical process, with formulas. The events described in the OP are specific and your generalities don't address that. The specifics of the book/binding-split/word/word-heard should be addressed specifically. That you have not, is the reason I read your reply as: "It couldn't have happened, because it's not possible."
There must be data for a probability to be calculable. What is the probability of an event occurring that has not ever occurred? It's NOT calculable.
In the second paragraph of your opening post you wrote:there was a time that I thought it would be a good idea to be observant for any "signs," yes, evidence of god.
In the third paragraph you proposedthat any, "sign," would be Mathematical in theme; that it would be an event so improbable as to have an incomprehensibly small likelihood of occurring.
This is what I replied to in post #7.Nobody has managed to explain to me by what criterion we can determine the point at which something becomes so unlikely that it could not possibly have occurred without the intercession of a supernatural entity. Until then an (un)likelihood, no matter how great or small the odds, will always remain just that - an (un)likelihood.
With that the ball landed in your court, and it is still there now.
The_Piper wrote:Yup, and the odds are even greater than that of a hit, since he knew it wouldn't be in the last 2/3 of the book. It's more than a 1 in 300 chance.
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