iam43 wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Mo was a sex maniac paedofile. A normal human being my arse if ever existed at all.

Paarsurrey yo have still not replied to my evidence that the koran was a mess and that still today there are two versions.

Forget it Scot he's simply ignoring anything anyone asks him. You're wasting your time.

I know Aggie. He just does not want to accept the awful truth about his lousy belief system.

Well I've just checked out his blog, and it strikes me as written by someone who is uninterested in learning anything from any discussion here. Paarsurrey just wants to preach (in very eloquent English most of the time), and the 'discussions' on his blog seem to follow an all-too familiar pattern.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

iam43 wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Agrippina wrote:

Forget it Scot he's simply ignoring anything anyone asks him. You're wasting your time.

I know Aggie. He just does not want to accept the awful truth about his lousy belief system.

Well I've just checked out his blog, and it strikes me as written by someone who is uninterested in learning anything from any discussion here. Paarsurrey just wants to preach (in very eloquent English most of the time), and the 'discussions' on his blog seem to follow an all-too familiar pattern.

You mean the paarsurrey committee. I and a few others are of the opinion there is more than poster using that name.

Scar wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

iam43 wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

I know Aggie. He just does not want to accept the awful truth about his lousy belief system.

Well I've just checked out his blog, and it strikes me as written by someone who is uninterested in learning anything from any discussion here. Paarsurrey just wants to preach (in very eloquent English most of the time), and the 'discussions' on his blog seem to follow an all-too familiar pattern.

You mean the paarsurrey committee. I and a few others are of the opinion there is more than poster using that name.

I tend to agree. The mods should check his IPs to see wether there are striking differences.

monkeyboy wrote:

Scar wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

iam43 wrote:

Well I've just checked out his blog, and it strikes me as written by someone who is uninterested in learning anything from any discussion here. Paarsurrey just wants to preach (in very eloquent English most of the time), and the 'discussions' on his blog seem to follow an all-too familiar pattern.

You mean the paarsurrey committee. I and a few others are of the opinion there is more than poster using that name.

I tend to agree. The mods should check his IPs to see wether there are striking differences.

Would that prove anything. I log in from different PCs depending on where I am. I also use my phone on the go sometimes. Wouldn't they show different IPs?

Zwaarddijk wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:

monkeyboy wrote:

Scar wrote:

I tend to agree. The mods should check his IPs to see wether there are striking differences.

Would that prove anything. I log in from different PCs depending on where I am. I also use my phone on the go sometimes. Wouldn't they show different IPs?

If they correlated to a different posting style, it might indeed prove something!

you would find different posting styles when I'm on this network than when I am on my home-network, because when I am on this network, I am basically posting during breaks, in a hurry, not quite having the time to verify things to the same extent as usual, etc. ..

z8000783 wrote:

Many Millions of people are Muslims and it is an extremely powerful religion/way of life today so I think it's important that we can be sure that Muhammad had the Quran revealed to him directly from God, don't you? I still do not see where you point this out in the Quran.

Surely if you are using reasoning to determine this then it will presumably be based on evidence. Can you show me the (reliable) evidence that Muhammad had the Quran revealed to him, please.

Many thanks once again for taking the time a trouble to explain these things.

John

paarsurrey wrote:

z8000783 wrote:

Many Millions of people are Muslims and it is an extremely powerful religion/way of life today so I think it's important that we can be sure that Muhammad had the Quran revealed to him directly from God, don't you? I still do not see where you point this out in the Quran.

Surely if you are using reasoning to determine this then it will presumably be based on evidence. Can you show me the (reliable) evidence that Muhammad had the Quran revealed to him, please.

Many thanks once again for taking the time a trouble to explain these things.

John

Sorry; I could not understand your question clearly; I answered as I could understand it then and now. Please elaborate it again.

Muhammad never claimed that he autored or composed Quran; the Creator God authored it and claims it;why ignore Him?

Is it difficult for the Creator God who created the whole universe and everything in it to author Word of Revelation? What reasons are there?

Please read the following:

[29:48] And in like manner have We sent down the Book to thee, so those to whom We have given true knowledge of the Book believe in it (the Qur’an); and of these Meccans also there are some who believe in it. And none but the ungrateful deny Our Signs.
[29:49] And thou didst not recite any Book before it, nor didst thou write one with thy right hand; in that case the liars would have doubted.
[29:50] Nay, it is a collection of clear Signs in the hearts of those who are given knowledge. And none but the wrongdoers deny Our Signs.
[29:51] And they say, ‘Why are not Signs sent down to him from his Lord?’ Say, ‘The Signs are with Allah, and certainly I am a clear Warner.’
[29:52] Is it not enough for them that We have sent down to thee the Book which is recited to them? Verily, there is mercy in it and a reminder for a people who believe.
[29:53] Say, ‘Allah is sufficient as a Witness between me and you. He knows what is in the heavens and the earth. And as for those who believe in falsehood and disbelieve in Allah, they it is who are the losers.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh ... 9&verse=48

Please see the verses 29:48 and 29:52 above; for the original text in Arabic one could click the above link.

Muhammad did not know as to how to read or write; and he had never done any act like this before.

I don't think it is reasonable to doubt this.

If a person does not claim to write a thing; I don't understand as to why one should insist that he has authored it or written it.

Oeditor wrote:
why is it always described as a Book that was read to Mohammed?

paarsurrey wrote:
Muhammad did not know as to how to read or write; and he had never done any act like this before.

I don't think it is reasonable to doubt this.

paarsurrey wrote:It will not also be out of place to mention here that Muhammad never claimed to have any supernatural powers; he always said he was an ordinary human being like others; only that he received Word of Revelation from the Creator God as His appointed messenger prophet like so many others before him.

paarsurrey wrote:

Oeditor wrote:
why is it always described as a Book that was read to Mohammed?

The verses of Quran were Revealed to him; when a verse/s was revealed to him; he committed it to his memory and from him his companions would commit it to their memory. Muhammad and his companion had made a habit to recite or repeat the verses which have been revealed so far, at a given point of time; all of them enjoyed hearing verses of Quran from others being read. Muhammad also enjoyed hearing it from others to recite to him.

Quran had such an attraction to thim and they all loved Quran.

I think it helps.

Spearthrower wrote:I don't doubt you find this highly persuasive while simultaneously not even considering the massive potential for errors and changes to be introduced.

paarsurrey wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:I don't doubt you find this highly persuasive while simultaneously not even considering the massive potential for errors and changes to be introduced.

There are no errors or changes in Quran; it is the same as it was Revealed on Muhammad.