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I was watching this video:
https://www.facebook.com/MissMayim/videos/10158505486470008/
And I wondered why so many people (even smart people) conflate the feeling of awe and admiration at the magnificence of the universe with spirituality or a relationship with God(s).
(Edited to correct the video link.)
Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
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Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
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by murshid » Mar 31, 2017 2:10 pm
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"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" – Douglas Adams
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#2 by Alan B » Mar 31, 2017 4:58 pm
I think this 'spirituality' is a proportional response to the lack of knowledge of that in which one is in awe - regardless of a science or any other background.
I don't understand it, therefore god...
But one can still be in awe (of the the Universe, for example) and not resort to 'spirituality'.
I don't understand it, therefore god...
But one can still be in awe (of the the Universe, for example) and not resort to 'spirituality'.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#3 by murshid » Mar 31, 2017 5:08 pm
Alan B wrote:But one can still be in awe (of the the Universe, for example) and not resort to 'spirituality'.
My point exactly.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#4 by Dark energy » Apr 01, 2017 12:19 am
No,God tells us to ponder over the vast of the universe so that we can try to understand his greatness.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#5 by Matthew Shute » Apr 01, 2017 1:01 am
Dark energy wrote:No,God tells us to ponder over the vast of the universe so that we can try to understand his greatness.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#6 by crank » Apr 01, 2017 1:17 am
Dark energy wrote:No,God tells us to ponder over the vast of the universe so that we can try to understand his greatness.
Why is it that those who do the most pondering and glean the most understanding of this vastness are the ones least likely to believe?
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#7 by Macdoc » Apr 01, 2017 2:06 am
No,God tells us to ponder over the vast of the universe so that we can try to understand his greatness.
Don't include others in your delusions ...they have drugs to fix some things but u can't cure stupid.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#8 by Arcanyn » Apr 01, 2017 2:31 am
Dark energy wrote:No,God tells us to ponder over the vast of the universe so that we can try to understand his greatness.
How narcissistic.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#9 by BlackBart » Apr 01, 2017 5:31 am
Dark energy wrote:No,God tells us to ponder over the vast of the universe so that we can try to understand his greatness.
What a sad, needy little individual this god thingy would have to be.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#10 by BlackBart » Apr 01, 2017 6:26 am
Why is the word God written as G-d on the subtitles to that video?
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#11 by crank » Apr 01, 2017 7:17 am
From a site, jewfaq.org 
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It should be a minus sign in there, there sure ain't much positive about a god. How is removing one letter from a name and replacing it with a mark not defacing the name?
:G-d
A way of avoiding writing a name of G-d, to avoid the risk of the sin of erasing or defacing the Name.
It should be a minus sign in there, there sure ain't much positive about a god. How is removing one letter from a name and replacing it with a mark not defacing the name?
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#12 by Thomas Eshuis » Apr 01, 2017 8:04 am
crank wrote:From a site, jewfaq.orgG-d
A way of avoiding writing a name of G-d, to avoid the risk of the sin of erasing or defacing the Name.
It should be a minus sign in there, there sure ain't much positive about a god. How is removing one letter from a name and replacing it with a mark not defacing the name?
Because of mental gymnastics, just like this guy:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#13 by BlackBart » Apr 01, 2017 8:20 am
So, they avoid defacing the name by defacing the name. Derp.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#14 by Alan B » Apr 01, 2017 8:39 am
crank wrote:From a site, jewfaq.orgG-d
A way of avoiding writing a name of G-d, to avoid the risk of the sin of erasing or defacing the Name.
It should be a minus sign in there, there sure ain't much positive about a god. How is removing one letter from a name and replacing it with a mark not defacing the name?
'Cos vowels are Eeevil!
E.g. YWH.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#15 by Alan B » Apr 01, 2017 8:44 am
Dark energy wrote:No,God tells us to ponder over the vast of the universe so that we can try to understand his greatness.
No, it bloody doesn't. Not until you can provide evidence of it's existence. Until then, all theists can do is spout bollocks regarding their deity.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#16 by tuco » Apr 01, 2017 9:10 am
She explains it in the vid. For her God is a cultural and psychological metaphor and religion is ethical framework. Spirituality, without generally understood and accepted definition, is basically useless term to debate.
From here:
Its like mysterious and mystical.
From here:
Albert Einstein, Living Philosophies wrote:The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom the emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapped in awe, is as good as dead —his eyes are closed. The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
Its like mysterious and mystical.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#17 by murshid » Apr 01, 2017 12:13 pm
I don't understand how people can rationally leap from "I am awestruck by the universe" to "I am experiencing God".
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#18 by tuco » Apr 01, 2017 12:17 pm
Neither do I and my conclusion is: a) I do not understand many things, b) people are different, c) I do not need to understand everything/one.
I do not understand people who dont like MIDI for example :P
j/k of course
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edit: rationally leap? Hardly but then I suspect we find us debating what "rationally" means. Was her explanation, for example, rational? I think so as there was no leap but post hoc rationalization of her belief system.
I do not understand people who dont like MIDI for example :P
j/k of course
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edit: rationally leap? Hardly but then I suspect we find us debating what "rationally" means. Was her explanation, for example, rational? I think so as there was no leap but post hoc rationalization of her belief system.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#19 by Alan B » Apr 01, 2017 12:22 pm
I have NO BELIEF in the existence of a God or gods. I do not have to offer evidence nor do I have to determine absence of evidence because I do not ASSERT that a God does or does not or gods do or do not exist.
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Re: Confusing a feeling of awe at the universe with spirituality
#20 by BlackBart » Apr 01, 2017 12:43 pm
murshid wrote:I don't understand how people can rationally leap from "I am awestruck by the universe" to "I am experiencing God".
I suspect there's a certain amount of "I don't really believe any of this shit, but I don't want to upset or offend members of my family and community so I'll equivocate and describe a vague pantheistic 'God' and say I believe in that without coming up with an out and out lie."
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