How many people have you de-converted?

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How many people have you de-converted

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Zero
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One to Three
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24%
Four to Six
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2%
Seven to Nine
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#181  Postby The Apistevist » Apr 12, 2018 5:13 pm

Inadvertently, just one: my brother. I tend not to discuss my views with most family members. They're conservative Christians.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#182  Postby Keep It Real » Jun 11, 2018 6:59 pm

Me in neighbouring town earlier today walking past JW stand:

me - "Oh, you're here as well then..."

him - "would you care to take a look at this booklet?" - hands me booklet entitled What does the bible teach us.

me - "what does the bible teach us...not to wear mixed fabrics?" - seriously pissed off expressions materialise on the two female JWs faces.

me - "I'll take it and read it - haven't read a book in ages, I'm stuck on the net mostly these days. So you lot are here too, you're all over my home town like a rash."

him - "we don't really like that phrase."

me - "gota go, tara" - walk off.
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#183  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 12, 2018 9:36 am

Keep It Real wrote:Me in neighbouring town earlier today walking past JW stand:

me - "Oh, you're here as well then..."

him - "would you care to take a look at this booklet?" - hands me booklet entitled What does the bible teach us.

me - "what does the bible teach us...not to wear mixed fabrics?" - seriously pissed off expressions materialise on the two female JWs faces.

me - "I'll take it and read it - haven't read a book in ages, I'm stuck on the net mostly these days. So you lot are here too, you're all over my home town like a rash."

him - "we don't really like that phrase."

me - "gota go, tara" - walk off.


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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#184  Postby zulumoose » Jun 12, 2018 10:24 am

Last JW that approached me was at pains to say that people are wrong to dismiss them for "not believing in Jesus" since they do actually believe in Jesus. She was a bit taken aback when I told her that I didn't.

I didn't realise it was a thing that they are rejected by other Christians for allegedly not taking Jesus seriously.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#185  Postby Fallible » Jun 12, 2018 10:42 am

Now all they need to do is extend that not-taking-seriously thing to the rest of it.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#186  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Jun 12, 2018 10:57 am

zulumoose wrote:Last JW that approached me was at pains to say that people are wrong to dismiss them for "not believing in Jesus" since they do actually believe in Jesus. She was a bit taken aback when I told her that I didn't.

I didn't realise it was a thing that they are rejected by other Christians for allegedly not taking Jesus seriously.

It's similar how some protestants think catholicism isn't Christian.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#187  Postby Wortfish » Sep 29, 2018 3:21 pm

Don't know about "convereted", but I have sown many doubts in the minds of atheists and agnostics.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#188  Postby laklak » Sep 29, 2018 3:32 pm

Not here.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#189  Postby hackenslash » Sep 29, 2018 3:36 pm

Wortfish wrote:Don't know about "convereted", but I have sown many doubts in the minds of atheists and agnostics.


Have you, indeed? Do tell.

I'm not sure how many decons I have, but well inti the tens if dispatches are to be believed.
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#190  Postby fluttermoth » Sep 29, 2018 3:42 pm

Wortfish wrote:Don't know about "convereted", but I have sown many doubts in the minds of atheists and agnostics.


And then they go away, think about it, and say, "no, I was right all along"?
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#191  Postby Thommo » Sep 29, 2018 3:55 pm

Wortfish wrote:Don't know about "convereted", but I have sown many doubts in the minds of atheists and agnostics.


I doubt that.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#192  Postby theropod » Sep 29, 2018 4:01 pm

He didn’t specify what doubts. I suspect those doubts centered around whether he was a troll, Poe or just fucking stupid.

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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#193  Postby Wortfish » Sep 29, 2018 5:20 pm

hackenslash wrote:
Wortfish wrote:Don't know about "convereted", but I have sown many doubts in the minds of atheists and agnostics.


Have you, indeed? Do tell.

I'm not sure how many decons I have, but well inti the tens if dispatches are to be believed.


I think many atheists just don't want to believe in God. It helps simplify their lives and gives comfort to them, knowing that they are not answerable to a Higher Power.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#194  Postby hackenslash » Sep 29, 2018 5:35 pm

The first two words of that are recrudescent arse-gravy, and it goes steeply downhill from there.

I have no use for your pathetic fantasy except as comedy fodder, and I know for a fact that many of my cohorts hereabouts feel the same.
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#195  Postby LucidFlight » Sep 29, 2018 5:45 pm

*adds recrudescent arse-gravy to list of handy phrases*
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#196  Postby Thommo » Sep 29, 2018 5:46 pm

Wortfish wrote:
hackenslash wrote:
Wortfish wrote:Don't know about "convereted", but I have sown many doubts in the minds of atheists and agnostics.


Have you, indeed? Do tell.

I'm not sure how many decons I have, but well inti the tens if dispatches are to be believed.


I think many atheists just don't want to believe in God. It helps simplify their lives and gives comfort to them, knowing that they are not answerable to a Higher Power.


I doubt that.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#197  Postby Wortfish » Sep 29, 2018 8:55 pm

Thommo wrote:
Wortfish wrote:
hackenslash wrote:
Wortfish wrote:Don't know about "convereted", but I have sown many doubts in the minds of atheists and agnostics.


Have you, indeed? Do tell.

I'm not sure how many decons I have, but well inti the tens if dispatches are to be believed.


I think many atheists just don't want to believe in God. It helps simplify their lives and gives comfort to them, knowing that they are not answerable to a Higher Power.


I doubt that.


I have met many atheists who tell me that they find consolation in the fact that there is no Creator or higher purpose. It means they can live their lives without worrying about the consequences of their actions. Deep down they know there is a God, but they choose not to acknowledge him.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#198  Postby Keep It Real » Sep 29, 2018 8:58 pm

Conscience is not the sole preserve of theists. There's this thing called "empathy" - you might have heard of it. Also, belief is not a matter of choice, EVERYBODY believes that which they perceive to be the truth. No choice in it. In short :this: is a load of old codswallop.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#199  Postby TopCat » Sep 29, 2018 10:21 pm

Wortfish wrote:I have met many atheists who tell me that they find consolation in the fact that there is no Creator or higher purpose.

I've posted on a few occasions about how I generally deplore accusations of lying on this forum. Mostly such accusations are aimed at people who persist in asserting things that are manifestly untrue, despite being shown why they're untrue, usually multiple times. Usually I think delusion and selective attention account for such determined evidence denial.

But you know what? With this assertion, I think you're lying. Or if you're not, you're staggeringly deluded about what atheists think. The atheists I know are mostly decent, moral people, who have found their own way to morality - without, I might add, this vile notion of vicarious atonement - and consequently need no such consolation.

It means they can live their lives without worrying about the consequences of their actions.

This is a horrible non sequitur. Even if the first assertion were true, which I bet it isn't, this in no way follows from it, and is in fact absolutely untrue.

Deep down they know there is a God, but they choose not to acknowledge him.

And with this, you are in fact, just making shit up consistent with your prejudices. It's revolting. Speaking as an ex-Christian, I'd say it ranks right up there with the most santimonious, hollow, vacuous, pious, hypocritical bullshit I ever heard from people that were incapable of knowing what they believed or thought unless they had it shoved down their gullet for them by the church.
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Re: How many people have you de-converted?

#200  Postby laklak » Sep 29, 2018 10:30 pm

Wortfish wrote:I have met many atheists who tell me that they find consolation in the fact that there is no Creator or higher purpose.


They're taking the piss, mate. Probably told you they eat babies, too.

Well, some of us do, anyway. Why not? It's not like there's a God who's going to punish me for it, so I can do whatever I want. My Lord Satan told me that.
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