Mick wrote:Angra Mainyu wrote:Would the Thomist objection you have in mind claim that moral perfection follows from the other properties included in the definition of "God" in Jeffery's (or even in Swinburne's) definition?
Yes, but only because, on classical theism, God's Omniscience just is his Omnipotence which just is his Goodness, etc. God is not composite in any way-he is simple. Thus, one deduces every other. Of course we only know that once
first figure out that God is goodness itself by way of metaphysical demonstration.
But when assessing the probability in this context, the question is an a priori one.
ETA: To be clearer, when I said "a priori" I was including things like conceptual analysis. In reality, that requires evidence about how the words are used, so if you consider them separately, let's add semantic evidence to a priori arguments.
The words "omnipotence" and "omniscience" have different meanings, and the same goes for "moral perfection".
What Swinburne tries to do is to get moral perfection from omniscience plus perfect freedom by means of conceptual analysis (well, conceptual analysis and some metaethical assumptions, so there is some more or less hidden ontology perhaps, but I can grant that too; you can find more details in my reply to Swinburne's arguments).
The points I made in the post I linked to are meant to show precisely that there is no such semantic entailment, or any entailment that can be found a priori, and that's all I need to make the probabilistic objection.
If you disagree and you think you have an a-priori and/or semantic argument from omniscience (and omnipotence, if you like) to moral perfection (I don't include "perfect freedom", since it entails change in God, and the Thomist denies that - besides, that's not part of Jeffery's definition -, but it's fine with me if you add that too), I'd like to know what your arguments objecting to my arguments are.
In brief, it's not enough that if Thomism is right, then omnipotence is moral perfection, etc. For that matter, if Thomism is true, so is theism, and no further argument is required. But my point is that the scenario in which an omnipotent, omniscient being isn't morally perfect is not ruled out a priori and/or on semantic grounds. If you want to argue otherwise, you'd have to argue - a priori - why my scenarios fail. Else, the probabilistic objection can be raised as I did.